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2016 Postmortem

Yurovsky

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27. I don't think Ohio is gone either...

Reply to Garrett78 (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 07:02 AM

Dec 2016

and anyone who thinks they'll turn Texas blue (like CA or NY) has obviously not spent a lot of time in Texas (outside of Austin)...

The best hope is to turn Texas, NC, GA, and maybe AZ purple like FL, OH, VA, and NH. States that can go Democrat with a strong candidate and a well run campaign. If TX and FL are in play each cycle while CA and NY remain solid blue, we play offense while they play defense 24/7, and you have to like those odds. It doesn't mean that a Democrat will be guaranteed to win the White House every 4 years, but it will make the GOP infrequent holders of the Oval Office until they agree to join the rest of us in the 21st century.

As for the EC, I don't see small states giving up the disproportionate power they have. It's not the voters, it's the small states that will have to agree to killing the EC, and I can't envision a scenario in which that happens.

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The surest way to get rid of the electoral college. [View all] Garrett78 Dec 2016 OP

Or generate a scenario where a Dem wins the EC vote but a Repub wins the popular vote. LonePirate Dec 2016 #1

That could do the trick, but Texas going blue would present a long-term problem. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #2

Very true. Plus a blue TX pretty much guarantees a blue AZ, FL, GA and NC as well. LonePirate Dec 2016 #3

PA was one DNC main stay... it'll be a fight but well worth it IMHO... there's enough exurban libera uponit7771 Dec 2016 #5

Dems definitely need to continue competing in PA, OH, MI, WI and MN. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #6

Not Ohio. This election proved Ohio is gone for good. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #19

I'm not ready to dismiss Ohio. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #21

I don't think Ohio is gone either... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #27

Obama won Houston by 1960 TOTAL votes... Clinton won that area by 167,000!! Turn Texas BLUE DAMMIT ! uponit7771 Dec 2016 #4

it won't turn blue without investment at the state and local levels pstokely Dec 2016 #18

Investment is key. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #20

If Texas is so close to being blue TexasProgresive Dec 2016 #7

I don't know how close it is to becoming blue but the demographics suggest it can happen. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #8

I wonder how Liz would do there. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #10

aren't there lots of Yankee transplants in TX? pstokely Dec 2016 #12

because statewide elections in TX are help during midterm years pstokely Dec 2016 #11

That would, indeed, make a big difference. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #13

+1, ... and midterms are gerrymandered and voter suppressed nationwide too uponit7771 Dec 2016 #14

All that we'd need is to win a majority of EC votes, with a minority of popular votes. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #9

Only until the South accepts civil rights for everyone will some of it turn blue again mtnsnake Dec 2016 #15

is VA not part of the South? pstokely Dec 2016 #16

No, it's part of Toronto mtnsnake Dec 2016 #17

VA turned blue because of minorities and people moving from blue states JI7 Dec 2016 #22

I think the potential is there for TX, GA and NC to become reliably blue. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #25

People from Texas need to pipe in here marlakay Dec 2016 #23

tRump only won it by 9%, Mittens did won it by a bigger margin in 2012 pstokely Dec 2016 #24

Northern Texas Wichita Falls marlakay Dec 2016 #30

The first reply was... Mike Nelson Dec 2016 #26

The Lege and Gov would just split its EC votes. n/t Orsino Dec 2016 #28

Not going to happen... Rage4Bacon Dec 2016 #29

I'm not advocating for a campaign to get rid of the EC. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #31