2016 Postmortem

forjusticethunders

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5. The problem is that it wasn't "bogus" - the system IS rigged.

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:38 PM

Dec 2016

It's a half-truth, which are often more dangerous than actual lies. Because of the sectarian tendency to paint all groups not as far to the Left as traitors and sellouts, a tendency Bernie shares (and that was the subtext of what he said, the Dems were enthralled to Big Capital because the party wasn't yet a Marxist party), Bernie felt no inclination to point out WHO WAS DOING THE RIGGING.

In reality, while one could argue with more than a degree of plausibility that the Democratic Party is too cozy with the wealthy, there is simply no comparison between the two parties in regards to which is the "working class" party. The game is rigged, but it's the Republicans who are doing the rigging, along with their conservative media allies (Jeff Zucker anyone?) and billionaire financiers. Bernie should have put more detail into it.

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What's so terrible about saying "the system is rigged"? [View all] Ken Burch Dec 2016 OP

One thing I've been amazed by... vi5 Dec 2016 #1

Excellent points! Docreed2003 Dec 2016 #4

Oh bullshit. OilemFirchen Dec 2016 #6

So it wasn't voter suppression or ID laws? vi5 Dec 2016 #8

There were a ton of factors. OilemFirchen Dec 2016 #13

In most states, just about anything will suffice for an ID, even a utility bill. Hoyt Dec 2016 #27

I don't disagree.... vi5 Dec 2016 #50

Hello, neighbor! Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #26

The work I saw with the Clinton campaign was about registering to vote NOT GOTV csziggy Dec 2016 #56

Trump used this bogus claim to great effect Gothmog Dec 2016 #2

The problem is that it wasn't "bogus" - the system IS rigged. forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #5

There are two problems-first Sanders had no chance of being the nominee and the DNC did not fix race Gothmog Dec 2016 #7

You misunderstand - Sanders's entire point was that both parties were doing the "rigging". forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #34

The system was rigged against Bernie. Joe941 Dec 2016 #9

How? Sanders lost due to the fact that Jewish, African American and Latino voters rejected him Gothmog Dec 2016 #14

Super delegates cost him the primaries - totally changed how the primary progressed! Joe941 Dec 2016 #52

Super delegates had nothing to do with Sanders lost Gothmog Dec 2016 #54

You assume starting out with a 700 delegate lead has no bearing on the rest of the race. It changes Joe941 Dec 2016 #57

Sanders got less than 43% of the popular vote in the primaries Gothmog Dec 2016 #58

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Trump was always going to say exactly what he said. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #15

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This is how I see it... Docreed2003 Dec 2016 #3

Strange how the "system is rigged" choir has fallen silent. ucrdem Dec 2016 #10

Are you going to claim that our economic system isn't tilted towards the wealthy, "rigged", if you dionysus Dec 2016 #11

It's a revelation to you that the wealthy have more money than the rest of us? ucrdem Dec 2016 #12

It's not as simple as "the wealthy have more money than the rest of us". Never has been. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #17

Wow, you seem a trifle upset. I suppose if trump said the sky was blue, after dionysus Dec 2016 #18

Dayum I lve you. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #31

Heya sheshe!!! ucrdem Dec 2016 #33

Thank you... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #36

backatcha sheshe ucrdem Dec 2016 #42

It hasn't. Sanders supporters have been just as outspoken about the bogusness of Trump's "victory" Ken Burch Dec 2016 #16

These giys have to blame someone, something, for this loss (other than dionysus Dec 2016 #19

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That's a lot of straw. By that turn, i could say liberals aren't president of the college dionysus Dec 2016 #23

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She lost any right to claim she cared more than Bernie about civil rights Ken Burch Dec 2016 #28

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He was upset because they disrupted the event for no good reason Ken Burch Dec 2016 #37

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At the time, Hillary hadn't said anything explicitly in support of BLM Ken Burch Dec 2016 #40

What happened to our friend? Was the strain of this post more than they could bear? dionysus Dec 2016 #48

You mean he didn't usher them backstage, and wag his finger at them? dionysus Dec 2016 #46

Bernie was equal to Hillary in his civil rights commitment. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #30

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Actually, he made speaking out about racism a standard part of his stump speech Ken Burch Dec 2016 #41

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There's no way you can seriously argue he wasn't to the left of HRC. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #45

Another strawman-there are very valid reasons why Sanders did not do well with AA and other votes Gothmog Dec 2016 #55

Bravo/ Brava! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #32

You are honestly saying with a straight face that MANY BernieBros Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #47

Actually yes. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #60

You and I exist on different planets Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #61

Many of them have been, yes. kcr Dec 2016 #51

Nothing. The Electoral College system is rigged to make the votes pnwmom Dec 2016 #25

Thank you. It's the last vestige of the slave system. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #29

Elizabeth Warren says 'the system is rigged' (2012) think Dec 2016 #44

Because it's mostly a backlash against things like a Black President and Women and others gaining JI7 Dec 2016 #49

It has nothing to do with banks rigging markets, becoming felons, and no one going to jail? think Dec 2016 #53

Apparently you never listened to an entire Clinton speech emulatorloo Dec 2016 #59

The system's having been rigged is why we're all here. It's not open to debate. Orsino Dec 2016 #62