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Docreed2003

(17,803 posts)
3. This is how I see it...
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 03:53 PM
Dec 2016

At the outset, let me say: Prepare for the flame war because it's coming. That being said, I agree with your post in many ways. Trump never once uttered the "rigged" phrase until Bernie did. Your points highlight what I think Bernie's positions were in that the current economic construct in this country is weighed towards the haves and against the vast majority who are struggling for a better life than their parents had. Trump only jumped on this message, although it was a perverted version of it, when he saw how successful Bernie was with connecting to people on this issue.

Trump was effective because he played up the economic divide and portrayed himself as an "outsider". Some folks latched into that message because they are in areas hardest hit by the current economic frustrations of the country and others did so because they felt that his message was similar to what Bernie was proposing and fighting against. Make no mistake, though some here seem hard pressed to admit this fact, there are a huge amount of people in this country who have been left out of the economic recovery since '08, and I'm not referring to the bogus NYT whites vs POC piece that has been commented on here many times recently. What I mean is that there are people of all backgrounds who have continued to struggle in this current economic climate, while the overlords of business continue to make profits. If you are able to step back and realize that most people in this country aren't as politically in tuned as we are here, it's easy to understand how the casual nightly news watcher could get caught up in Trumps rhetoric and not even know, or in some cases ignore, how racist/sexist/bigoted he truly is.

While it is certainly truth that Comey and the FBI and Russian interference played a huge role in this election, and I believe that it played enough of a roll to tip the balance to Trump. That doesn't mean that there aren't a huge percentage of voters across the country who feel that they are no longer best represented by the DNC...that's due to bigotry and hatred, yes, on a very large minority though. I think the bigger issue is the DNC has lost workers and unions because they no longer fight for their concerns. In recent decades, the DNC has been content to cull votes from unions, while taking donations from groups that would happily kill organized labor in this country.

The people in this country, and I mean the non-1% millionaire/billionaire class, are at a breaking point. They are looking for anyone to represent them against the economic powers that be. While Clinton had a strong economic platform, there was no attempt by the Clinton campaign or the DNC at large to express and make that platform digestible for the masses. Saying, "Check out my website for details"...just isn't good enough.


So, Trump won. He won by FBI interference, Russian espionage, and blatantly ripping off Clinton's most successful opponent of the primary and bastardizing his message. What are we going to do about it? I think it starts locally. We must make every attempt to connect with voters, even if we know they will never vote for us, because we must have our message and plan expressed to people in a real way. While we absolutely must fight and investigate the severity of foreign interference in this election, at the same time we have to understand why it could happen in the first place. Racism and bigotry played a huge part, for a very limited yet vicious part of the Trump base, but that's only a part. I think the DNC must hone its economic message, even if it means spurning Wall St donors, and present a message face to face to our constituents that says, "I know you're hurting...I know your jobs may never come back. I understand that the moneyed interests in this country are against you, but here's what we're going to do to fight for you and try to ease your pain."

One thing I've been amazed by... vi5 Dec 2016 #1
Excellent points! Docreed2003 Dec 2016 #4
Oh bullshit. OilemFirchen Dec 2016 #6
So it wasn't voter suppression or ID laws? vi5 Dec 2016 #8
There were a ton of factors. OilemFirchen Dec 2016 #13
In most states, just about anything will suffice for an ID, even a utility bill. Hoyt Dec 2016 #27
I don't disagree.... vi5 Dec 2016 #50
Hello, neighbor! Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #26
The work I saw with the Clinton campaign was about registering to vote NOT GOTV csziggy Dec 2016 #56
Trump used this bogus claim to great effect Gothmog Dec 2016 #2
The problem is that it wasn't "bogus" - the system IS rigged. forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #5
There are two problems-first Sanders had no chance of being the nominee and the DNC did not fix race Gothmog Dec 2016 #7
You misunderstand - Sanders's entire point was that both parties were doing the "rigging". forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #34
The system was rigged against Bernie. Joe941 Dec 2016 #9
How? Sanders lost due to the fact that Jewish, African American and Latino voters rejected him Gothmog Dec 2016 #14
Super delegates cost him the primaries - totally changed how the primary progressed! Joe941 Dec 2016 #52
Super delegates had nothing to do with Sanders lost Gothmog Dec 2016 #54
You assume starting out with a 700 delegate lead has no bearing on the rest of the race. It changes Joe941 Dec 2016 #57
Sanders got less than 43% of the popular vote in the primaries Gothmog Dec 2016 #58
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Trump was always going to say exactly what he said. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #15
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This is how I see it... Docreed2003 Dec 2016 #3
Strange how the "system is rigged" choir has fallen silent. ucrdem Dec 2016 #10
Are you going to claim that our economic system isn't tilted towards the wealthy, "rigged", if you dionysus Dec 2016 #11
It's a revelation to you that the wealthy have more money than the rest of us? ucrdem Dec 2016 #12
It's not as simple as "the wealthy have more money than the rest of us". Never has been. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #17
Wow, you seem a trifle upset. I suppose if trump said the sky was blue, after dionysus Dec 2016 #18
Dayum I lve you. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #31
Heya sheshe!!! ucrdem Dec 2016 #33
Thank you... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #36
backatcha sheshe ucrdem Dec 2016 #42
It hasn't. Sanders supporters have been just as outspoken about the bogusness of Trump's "victory" Ken Burch Dec 2016 #16
These giys have to blame someone, something, for this loss (other than dionysus Dec 2016 #19
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That's a lot of straw. By that turn, i could say liberals aren't president of the college dionysus Dec 2016 #23
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She lost any right to claim she cared more than Bernie about civil rights Ken Burch Dec 2016 #28
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He was upset because they disrupted the event for no good reason Ken Burch Dec 2016 #37
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At the time, Hillary hadn't said anything explicitly in support of BLM Ken Burch Dec 2016 #40
What happened to our friend? Was the strain of this post more than they could bear? dionysus Dec 2016 #48
You mean he didn't usher them backstage, and wag his finger at them? dionysus Dec 2016 #46
Bernie was equal to Hillary in his civil rights commitment. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #30
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Actually, he made speaking out about racism a standard part of his stump speech Ken Burch Dec 2016 #41
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There's no way you can seriously argue he wasn't to the left of HRC. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #45
Another strawman-there are very valid reasons why Sanders did not do well with AA and other votes Gothmog Dec 2016 #55
Bravo/ Brava! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #32
You are honestly saying with a straight face that MANY BernieBros Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #47
Actually yes. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #60
You and I exist on different planets Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #61
Many of them have been, yes. kcr Dec 2016 #51
Nothing. The Electoral College system is rigged to make the votes pnwmom Dec 2016 #25
Thank you. It's the last vestige of the slave system. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #29
Elizabeth Warren says 'the system is rigged' (2012) think Dec 2016 #44
Because it's mostly a backlash against things like a Black President and Women and others gaining JI7 Dec 2016 #49
It has nothing to do with banks rigging markets, becoming felons, and no one going to jail? think Dec 2016 #53
Apparently you never listened to an entire Clinton speech emulatorloo Dec 2016 #59
The system's having been rigged is why we're all here. It's not open to debate. Orsino Dec 2016 #62
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