2016 Postmortem

JHan

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87. That comparision doesn't really fly though..

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 02:00 PM

Dec 2016

This isn't about the flaws of either candidate - or their mistakes or misjudgments:

this is about what they actively campaigned on:

Trump made bigotry the core of his campaign and his message.

Clinton didn't go raving about killing Iraqis- coming to think of it Trump also boasted about killing the families of terrorists so there's that..

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Someone sent me the video of Bernie's hour-long town hall in Wisconsin [View all] Garrett78 Dec 2016 OP

Thank you, Garrett Cha Dec 2016 #1

Well said Garrett. As to your first point, anyone who voted for Trump was well aware of his racist, still_one Dec 2016 #2

As opposed to uour misguided, self serving lecture? dionysus Dec 2016 #3

You are correct about that. However, one way or the other mtnsnake Dec 2016 #48

You sir, have a heart of glass. dionysus Dec 2016 #68

Please keep in mind he went to Wisconsin to talk to Trump supporters. This was outreach. think Dec 2016 #4

Since when is misrepresenting the facts considered "outreach"? SunSeeker Dec 2016 #8

Yes. Thanks. tecelote Dec 2016 #19

Lol metroins Dec 2016 #26

Tecelote these people are bent on losing again realmirage Dec 2016 #42

The GOP was running itself into thw grpund like this. Thank god we jumped in and adopted the tactic. dionysus Dec 2016 #69

yes!! Locrian Dec 2016 #79

Why not first do "outreach ' to disenfranchised minorities? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #81

He shouldn't have done it in the first place. kcr Dec 2016 #30

Sanders will be doing a lot of this for the Democrats as outreach director. When should he start? think Dec 2016 #35

For starters I would recommend they not waste time on Trump supporters kcr Dec 2016 #37

So don't try to get back those Obama voters who flipped red? realmirage Dec 2016 #43

You nailed it! Bernie knows EXACTLY what he's doing... showing us the way out of this horrendous mess! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #76

Thank you for laying out the facts. nt SunSeeker Dec 2016 #5

These same people put Obama in office. George Eliot Dec 2016 #6

The unemployment rate has changed a lot, and changed for the better. And 20 million people have StevieM Dec 2016 #7

no, most of them didn't vote for obama. there are probably equal number that voted mccain and romney JI7 Dec 2016 #18

No, they did not. That is one of the worst... NCTraveler Dec 2016 #22

Bullshit. kcr Dec 2016 #31

The main fault here is not Obama's. It's the information-pushers on our side. calimary Dec 2016 #44

Righteous rant! dionysus Dec 2016 #70

I can't understand the people denying the racism and other hate trump spewed montana_hazeleyes Dec 2016 #9

What the heck was Schumer thinking anyway. ucrdem Dec 2016 #10

Really. they should take a listen. Cha Dec 2016 #11

aloha Cha! ucrdem Dec 2016 #12

Really! I didn't know that.. very good to hear! i know we had 70% Cha Dec 2016 #13

It's an awesome H! I'll put it up again when she takes office ucrdem Dec 2016 #14

Yeah.. it figures.. Cha Dec 2016 #15

Yep. It couldn't last I guess. ucrdem Dec 2016 #33

+1000. n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #16

K&R Jamaal510 Dec 2016 #17

Instead of holding their hands and telling them fairy tales, Bernie oasis Dec 2016 #20

He did that... TCJ70 Dec 2016 #28

thanks for pointing that out, people on these boards love to just assume shit all the time. nt JCanete Dec 2016 #75

It's the blatant falsehoods that get me... TCJ70 Dec 2016 #80

K&R betsuni Dec 2016 #21

I agree, but it's weird how this wasn't so noticeable in the primary about Bernie Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #23

I agree it's so bizarre people denying blatant in your face racism! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #24

I think he's trying to reach out to a certain segment. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #25

I had a similar reaction to Sanders town hall Gothmog Dec 2016 #27

I watched 45 minutes of it before I couldn't take the Trump voters anymore... TCJ70 Dec 2016 #29

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #40

Trump's going to be President in a month. jalan48 Dec 2016 #32

Well I'm glad he's going outside of your comfort zone. yodermon Dec 2016 #34

Well said! ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #36

Very well said. To be honest from what (little) I saw it was one dismissal of Democrats.... George II Dec 2016 #38

K&R NastyRiffraff Dec 2016 #39

Anyone who thinks Trump won because of racism or sexism needs to step outside their bubble NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #41

So in your rural area ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #45

Where I grew up I knew none NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #63

Wow. You lived in a bigot-free rural paradise and found anti-white racism when you came to the city? Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #72

Your racial denialism shtick is getting old taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #46

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #64

We get it taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #66

Stop putting words into my mouth NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #67

And both Obama and Bill Clinton are... men question everything Dec 2016 #73

The 'DEMOCRAT' Party? Curious. How many days a week do you listen to right-wing talk radio? Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #49

Um...Curious, how often do you accuse people who disagree with you of being right wingers? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #65

1. Nice dodge. Your assertion that only a "small percentage" of Trumpkins are bigiots is factually Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #74

Garrett this is an excellent post. I too was offended when SBS picked up the RW "politicaly correct" Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #47

Yes because yelling at a person that they're racist and sexist is going to make them want to listen. PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #50

I would never yell at them... JHan Dec 2016 #51

And when you call them racist or sexist, do you think they will continue listening to you? PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #52

But why all the denial that some are? JHan Dec 2016 #54

Numerous surveys make it clear that a majority of Trump supporters are, in fact, bigoted. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #56

Exactly, why all the preciousness? It's plainly evident. JHan Dec 2016 #57

I'm not saying people should deny it. But if my job is that of the "persuader", PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #59

I wouldn't lead with it either.. JHan Dec 2016 #60

We generally agree. PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #61

Clinton won among the working class. She won among those for whom the economy is #1. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #62

okay, but people don't vote for somebody and ALL they represent. That Trump's racism wasn't JCanete Dec 2016 #86

That comparision doesn't really fly though.. JHan Dec 2016 #87

"You can be uncompromising about the truth while being polite and respectful." Garrett78 Dec 2016 #55

Sure, but you have to choose how to engage. You have to start on a level that doesn't shut people JCanete Dec 2016 #78

I can't engage with them if they won't acknowledge what they voted for... JHan Dec 2016 #83

I understand not being able to do that. Are you saying that nobody should? nt JCanete Dec 2016 #84

I will not take seriously anybody who wants to keep up such pretenses.. JHan Dec 2016 #85

Democrats should not waste their time and energy to people who will not vote... asuhornets Dec 2016 #53

You mean like yelling at Clinton supporters about our candidate being a tool EffieBlack Dec 2016 #82

word. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #58

KICK Cha Dec 2016 #71

Sanders is speaking to people who aren't going to respond to those things that you want him to say. JCanete Dec 2016 #77