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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Obama says Democrats lost by not showing up [View all]Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)31. Here's a live link for your post
http://www.brennancenter.org/voting-restrictions-first-time-2016
Voter suppression existed long before Shelby County invalidated Section 5 of the VRA. Of the states who enacted new laws after 2013 (as per your link), only Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, Virginia, New Hampshire, and Arizona were covered by Section 5 and therefore were the only states affected by the decision.
Clinton took Virginia and New Hampshire. Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina weren't even close. The only state that was close, Wisconsin, had only the 2011 voter ID laws in effect for 2016 due to a July 2016 court order and the same order actually made it easier for voters to get ID's in 2016 than it was in 2012,
Clearly GOPers are f'ing with black voters and clearly they have suppressed black vote. Anyone who argues with that is, well, incorrect. However, the argument that "new" laws had a big impact seems to suggest that Clinton had it harder than Obama due to the increased suppression of black votes after Section 5 was struck down and that isn't true.
Also, Zephyr was running in a pretty deep pink district and was shredded with late money accusing her of being a carpetbagger etc., as opposed to being "too liberal." As for Feingold, he got essentially the same number of votes as the candidate at the top of the ticket. I don't think you can take too much from the fact that he didn't pull Trump voters other than more evidence that the "Hillary lost because liberals voted for Trump" meme is incorrect.
As for this:
Exactly! I cannot agree with you more!!!!!!!!!
While the tamping down of Clinton's post-convention momentum began with the Comey letter, it was brought home by:
(1) a complicit media (acting like Comey said anything meaningful in that letter, publishing the DNC emails, and giving Trump about the same level of scrutiny as a WWE fan (yes, that IS an attack on the new head of the SBA) gives the "result" of the latest "raslin' match;" AND,
(2) by the Russian/Trumpster/White Supremacist web site fake new reports (AGAIN not corrected by the complicit MSM) on election day about how there were huge turnouts in Democratic areas and how Clinton had it in the bag which essentially gave Democrats an excuse not to vote.
I posted in an earlier OP that we probably set ourselves up for it,
BUT
regardless, the fact remains that this election was stolen with lies and deceit AND, if it hadn't been, we would have seen results similar (okay, obviously not as dramatic) to what we saw in California!
Voter suppression existed long before Shelby County invalidated Section 5 of the VRA. Of the states who enacted new laws after 2013 (as per your link), only Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, Virginia, New Hampshire, and Arizona were covered by Section 5 and therefore were the only states affected by the decision.
Clinton took Virginia and New Hampshire. Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina weren't even close. The only state that was close, Wisconsin, had only the 2011 voter ID laws in effect for 2016 due to a July 2016 court order and the same order actually made it easier for voters to get ID's in 2016 than it was in 2012,
Clearly GOPers are f'ing with black voters and clearly they have suppressed black vote. Anyone who argues with that is, well, incorrect. However, the argument that "new" laws had a big impact seems to suggest that Clinton had it harder than Obama due to the increased suppression of black votes after Section 5 was struck down and that isn't true.
Also, Zephyr was running in a pretty deep pink district and was shredded with late money accusing her of being a carpetbagger etc., as opposed to being "too liberal." As for Feingold, he got essentially the same number of votes as the candidate at the top of the ticket. I don't think you can take too much from the fact that he didn't pull Trump voters other than more evidence that the "Hillary lost because liberals voted for Trump" meme is incorrect.
As for this:
"While we are at it, let's also ignore the FBI/Comey interference, the media's bias, and the Russian hacking."
Exactly! I cannot agree with you more!!!!!!!!!
While the tamping down of Clinton's post-convention momentum began with the Comey letter, it was brought home by:
(1) a complicit media (acting like Comey said anything meaningful in that letter, publishing the DNC emails, and giving Trump about the same level of scrutiny as a WWE fan (yes, that IS an attack on the new head of the SBA) gives the "result" of the latest "raslin' match;" AND,
(2) by the Russian/Trumpster/White Supremacist web site fake new reports (AGAIN not corrected by the complicit MSM) on election day about how there were huge turnouts in Democratic areas and how Clinton had it in the bag which essentially gave Democrats an excuse not to vote.
I posted in an earlier OP that we probably set ourselves up for it,
BUT
regardless, the fact remains that this election was stolen with lies and deceit AND, if it hadn't been, we would have seen results similar (okay, obviously not as dramatic) to what we saw in California!
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Every election is lost by the loser not having more voters show, except when Dems run for President.
Coyotl
Dec 2016
#2
I am sure glad it didn't have anything to do with the 2013 SC decision which struck
still_one
Dec 2016
#3
We all have to really unite to fight this, because we are all in this together
still_one
Dec 2016
#39
I don't know if they are reachable or not, but I do know that this election was a
still_one
Dec 2016
#61
might have something to do with voter id laws, voter roll purges, polling location placement,
unblock
Dec 2016
#6
It sure did have something to do with it unblock, along with the 2013 SC decision which shot down
still_one
Dec 2016
#9
you're wrong. she didn't have it easier, it is much harder to win when your party has controlled the
La Lioness Priyanka
Dec 2016
#12
Obama's approval rating for his last year in office is three points higher than Reagan's was.
Exilednight
Dec 2016
#49
My opinion-too much baggage and hubris. Trump was so bad her campaign thought she had it in the bag.
jalan48
Dec 2016
#13
What data exactly are you speaking of? The data that showed her lead quickly evaporating in the
Exilednight
Dec 2016
#52
Perhaps you're underweighting the fact that a significant number of working people don't have time
JudyM
Dec 2016
#45
The sign of true genius is the ability to take a complex subject and narrow it down to a few
Exilednight
Dec 2016
#50
Russian hacking and releasing info from the DNC contributed to the demoralization of
shraby
Dec 2016
#11
some democrats who showed up voted for trump....I hope they regret the decision for years
beachbum bob
Dec 2016
#26
What if they show up but are not allowed to vote? Or never got to register because the DMV office
KittyWampus
Dec 2016
#27
See I've been saying it was a base vs base election and ours didn't turn out.
coolbreeze77
Dec 2016
#64
Sorry Mr. Obama, I like you a LOT, but the DNC turned to SHIT under your tenure.
RBInMaine
Dec 2016
#66