2016 Postmortem

aikoaiko

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72. No, I'm saying the HRC economic message failed to connect with enough voters in the rust belt.

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 02:34 PM

Dec 2016

And Trump's didn't.

You may wrap that up to racism and/or misogyny, but it is the same problem Gore had and why Bush the Younger won.

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Please stop saying Trump turnout is because of jobs or economy. [View all] Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 OP

The Michael Moore meme has been debunked. duffyduff Dec 2016 #1

Trump was, quite simply thejoker123 Dec 2016 #23

Not true in my county Kilgore Dec 2016 #2

It is accurate there is a small number of people who are Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #3

Yeah 200 counties full who voted for obama twice and now trump yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #41

Obama didn't run against an overt and openly racist person either, this leaves out that small fact uponit7771 Dec 2016 #45

Let's get real. duffyduff Dec 2016 #7

I meant to be inclusive of those as well. Thanks for pointing them out. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #9

Why action are you suggesting in Syria? oberliner Dec 2016 #14

Obama is still president. former9thward Dec 2016 #37

THANK YOU ! That's what the ........ FACTS.......... show, but fuck facts on DU peoples "opinions" uponit7771 Dec 2016 #46

no, it wasn't about jobs. we've got near-full employment. at most, it was about lies about jobs. unblock Dec 2016 #8

Trump voters believe unemployment increased under Obama. rzemanfl Dec 2016 #52

In a nutshell unblock Dec 2016 #62

and in your part of the country what is the make up of the Senators and Representatives, the still_one Dec 2016 #17

And the anti-TPP fight for the 99% ers lost big time. Was not the TPP either. bettyellen Dec 2016 #25

Many Americans don't know what is in the TPP.. JHan Dec 2016 #35

+1, nah... couldn't be because Comey etc... nah, Russia didn't have SHIT to do with it /sarcasm uponit7771 Dec 2016 #47

So they voted for a billionaire insider and the thejoker123 Dec 2016 #24

they voted for a billionaire trust funder who cheats his employees and certainot Dec 2016 #32

Which is idiocy J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #39

That's why the OP used the word "most"... we all need to pay attention to what is said uponit7771 Dec 2016 #44

Fact: Hillary won w voters concerned about economy. Trump won w voters on immigration, emulatorloo Dec 2016 #69

Exactly. the far loony racist whites came out to vote while more moderate R's stayed home -tired of Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2016 #4

Your 4th paragraph nails it for many of them mtnsnake Dec 2016 #5

I know a few Trump supporters. LisaM Dec 2016 #11

This! They didn't compare the tax plans and assumed Dems would raise theirs and give the $ to brown bettyellen Dec 2016 #27

Most voters support lower taxes for themselves oberliner Dec 2016 #40

There was a lot of that BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #6

To make that vote you had to ignore that he is a racist, sexual assaulter, liar and Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #13

And they did BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #16

And a former member of my church was defending Trump's words as "locker room talk" 47of74 Dec 2016 #31

+1, they continue to rationalize their dick-ishness in their vote for Twitler uponit7771 Dec 2016 #48

Or just gullible. When confronted by things like this, a lot of cons dionysus Dec 2016 #43

Except why in the swing states did every Democrat running for Senate lose against the establishment still_one Dec 2016 #18

... ahem "... were going to ignore this little factoid and beat on Hillary .... " ahem.. cough uponit7771 Dec 2016 #49

If it was about jobs and the economy how the hell did Obama get re-elected doc03 Dec 2016 #10

+1, Obama wasn't running against an overt bigot uponit7771 Dec 2016 #50

True. It was racist and sexist backlash against first black President and potentially CousinIT Dec 2016 #12

And Hillary was gonna let women and children from war torn middle east come to our country Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #15

Can't rec this enough kcr Dec 2016 #19

racism was an essential part of his victory AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #20

I think 95% of the opposition to President Obama was racial. 47of74 Dec 2016 #34

You're over simplifying Fiendish Thingy Dec 2016 #21

You are absolutely right! True Dough Dec 2016 #29

This progressoid Dec 2016 #33

"a lot of folks are underemployed" this is false on its face the LFPR has been rising for a year and uponit7771 Dec 2016 #51

Tell that to the middle aged professionals, assembly line and tech workers Fiendish Thingy Dec 2016 #64

Bingo TaterBake Dec 2016 #22

Deplorables jumped at the opportunity to crawl out from their oasis Dec 2016 #26

And even with them crawling out from under rocks, HRC still got millions of more votes Rex Dec 2016 #28

Republicans will lie, cheat , steal elmac Dec 2016 #30

West Virginia's Results: Trump, 68.7%, Clinton, 26.5% mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2016 #36

It's a mistake to assign all Trump voters to bigotry/racism. KPN Dec 2016 #38

More RWTP, the LFPR and U6 rate are at near full employment levels and the "low wage" recovery uponit7771 Dec 2016 #53

Maybe you have to come from a blue collar family TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2016 #60

Thank you TexasMomma KPN Dec 2016 #70

People voted for Trump for a slew of reasons, but the fundamental one is a corrupt corporate media. JCanete Dec 2016 #42

I know IT workers TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2016 #54

In rural Western Colorado the Trump signs did not come out until randr Dec 2016 #55

Here in eastern Iowa I didn't really see too many Agent Orange signs out 47of74 Dec 2016 #63

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #56

Before the midterms crazycatlady Dec 2016 #58

It was racism and xenophobia and sexism treestar Dec 2016 #57

It's not an either/or situation though Lotusflower70 Dec 2016 #59

true times 1000 heaven05 Dec 2016 #61

Are you here to Correct the Record? aikoaiko Dec 2016 #65

Or it could be we have a shit load of ignorant racists and bigots Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #71

No, I'm saying the HRC economic message failed to connect with enough voters in the rust belt. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #72

Those who voted for maggot MFM008 Dec 2016 #66

His base... bigots and the "keep gov't out of my medicare" idiots. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #67

It doesn't have to have been all about one thing. Orsino Dec 2016 #68

Both are true BainsBane Dec 2016 #73

Kick Cha Dec 2016 #74