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emulatorloo

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69. Fact: Hillary won w voters concerned about economy. Trump won w voters on immigration,
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 12:06 PM
Dec 2016
Hillary won with voters making under 50k, and won even more with voters making under 30k

Trump won voters making 50K and up.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html?_r=0

We're not going to learn anything about how to move forward if we work from false premises



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"The Dangerous Myth That Hillary Clinton Ignored the Working Class"

Mark Murray ‏@mmurraypolitics 21m21 minutes ago
Via @DKThomp, impt corrective to idea that Hillary Clinton didn't talk about the working class or how to help them https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/12/hillary-clinton-working-class/509477/

In the days after her shocking loss, Democrats complained that Clinton had no jobs agenda. A widely shared essay in The Nation blamed Clinton's "neoliberalism" for abandoning the voters who swung the election. “I come from the white working class,” Bernie Sanders said on CBS This Morning, “and I am deeply humiliated that the Democratic Party cannot talk to where I came from.”

But here is the troubling reality for civically minded liberals looking to justify their preferred strategies: Hillary Clinton talked about the working class, middle class jobs, and the dignity of work constantly. And she still lost.

She detailed plans to help coal miners and steel workers. She had decades of ideas to help parents, particularly working moms, and their children. She had plans to help young men who were getting out of prison and old men who were getting into new careers. She talked about the dignity of manufacturing jobs, the promise of clean-energy jobs, and the Obama administration’s record of creating private-sector jobs for a record-breaking number of consecutive months. She said the word “job” more in the Democratic National Convention speech than Trump did in the RNC acceptance speech; she mentioned the word “jobs” more during the first presidential debate than Trump did. She offered the most comprehensively progressive economic platform of any presidential candidate in history—one specifically tailored to an economy powered by an educated workforce.

...After the election, some people called for an end to “identity politics” that promotes niche cultural issues over economic policy. But any reasonable working-class platform requires the advancement of policies that may disproportionately help non-whites. For example, hundreds of thousands of black men stay out of the labor force after being released from prison sentences for non-violent crimes. For them and their families, criminal justice reform is essential economic reform, even if poor whites see it as a distraction from that “real” issues that bedevil the working class, like trade policy.

The long-term future of the U.S. involves rising diversity, rising inequality, and rising redistribution. The combination of these forces makes for an unstable and unpredictable system. Income stagnation and inequality encourage policies to redistribute wealth from a rich few to the anxious multitudes. But when that multitude includes minorities who are seen as benefiting disproportionately from those redistribution policies, the white majority can turn resentful. (This may be one reason why the most successful social democracies, as in Scandinavia, were initially almost all white.) Nobody has really figured out how to be an effective messenger for pluralist social democracy, except, perhaps, for one of the few American adults who is legally barred from running for the U.S. presidency in the future...

read more: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/12/hillary-clinton-working-class/509477/


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The most common words in Hillary Clinton’s speeches, in one chart
They weren’t about “identity politics.”
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/12/16/13972394/most-common-words-hillary-clinton-speech

<snip>

I gathered all her campaign speeches (from both the primary and general campaigns) into one document and did a simple word-frequency analysis.

The results are below. As you can see, I’ve been as generous as possible in filing things under “identity politics.” Anything about minorities or criminal justice or gay people or immigrants, I filed as identity politics. I even included mentions of climate and clean energy in that category, though in a sane world those would be top-tier economic issues.

So, without further ado, what did Hillary Clinton talk about?

<CHART>

Yeah. She talked about jobs, workers, and the economy — more than anything else. They were the central focus of her public speeches.

You can critique how she talked about jobs, workers, and the economy. Maybe she should have used different words, or framed things differently. Maybe, despite running on an agenda of worker-friendly policies, she should have chosen a clearer, simpler economic theme and hit it more often.

You can critique where she talked about jobs, workers, and the economy. Clearly, in retrospect, she should have spent more time and resources in those upper Midwestern swing states.

But you cannot say she didn’t talk about jobs, workers, and the economy. She talked about them all the time, more than anything else.

It’s just not what voters heard. Here’s what they heard in the two-month period of July 17 to September 18, according to Gallup polling:

<CHART, GALLUP polling 2 questions: "What have you heard or read about Donald Trump?" "What have you heard or read about Hillary Clinton?">

Virtually everything the media said about Clinton was about corruption, one way or another. None of it was about policy. None of it was about her actual priorities, as reflected in her speeches and her agenda.

You can critique the Clinton campaign in all sorts of ways, but excess rhetorical attention to identity politics simply isn’t one of them.
The Michael Moore meme has been debunked. duffyduff Dec 2016 #1
Trump was, quite simply thejoker123 Dec 2016 #23
Not true in my county Kilgore Dec 2016 #2
It is accurate there is a small number of people who are Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #3
Yeah 200 counties full who voted for obama twice and now trump yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #41
Obama didn't run against an overt and openly racist person either, this leaves out that small fact uponit7771 Dec 2016 #45
Let's get real. duffyduff Dec 2016 #7
I meant to be inclusive of those as well. Thanks for pointing them out. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #9
Why action are you suggesting in Syria? oberliner Dec 2016 #14
Obama is still president. former9thward Dec 2016 #37
THANK YOU ! That's what the ........ FACTS.......... show, but fuck facts on DU peoples "opinions" uponit7771 Dec 2016 #46
no, it wasn't about jobs. we've got near-full employment. at most, it was about lies about jobs. unblock Dec 2016 #8
Trump voters believe unemployment increased under Obama. rzemanfl Dec 2016 #52
In a nutshell unblock Dec 2016 #62
and in your part of the country what is the make up of the Senators and Representatives, the still_one Dec 2016 #17
And the anti-TPP fight for the 99% ers lost big time. Was not the TPP either. bettyellen Dec 2016 #25
Many Americans don't know what is in the TPP.. JHan Dec 2016 #35
+1, nah... couldn't be because Comey etc... nah, Russia didn't have SHIT to do with it /sarcasm uponit7771 Dec 2016 #47
So they voted for a billionaire insider and the thejoker123 Dec 2016 #24
they voted for a billionaire trust funder who cheats his employees and certainot Dec 2016 #32
Which is idiocy J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #39
That's why the OP used the word "most"... we all need to pay attention to what is said uponit7771 Dec 2016 #44
Fact: Hillary won w voters concerned about economy. Trump won w voters on immigration, emulatorloo Dec 2016 #69
Exactly. the far loony racist whites came out to vote while more moderate R's stayed home -tired of Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2016 #4
Your 4th paragraph nails it for many of them mtnsnake Dec 2016 #5
I know a few Trump supporters. LisaM Dec 2016 #11
This! They didn't compare the tax plans and assumed Dems would raise theirs and give the $ to brown bettyellen Dec 2016 #27
Most voters support lower taxes for themselves oberliner Dec 2016 #40
There was a lot of that BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #6
To make that vote you had to ignore that he is a racist, sexual assaulter, liar and Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #13
And they did BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #16
And a former member of my church was defending Trump's words as "locker room talk" 47of74 Dec 2016 #31
+1, they continue to rationalize their dick-ishness in their vote for Twitler uponit7771 Dec 2016 #48
Or just gullible. When confronted by things like this, a lot of cons dionysus Dec 2016 #43
Except why in the swing states did every Democrat running for Senate lose against the establishment still_one Dec 2016 #18
... ahem "... were going to ignore this little factoid and beat on Hillary .... " ahem.. cough uponit7771 Dec 2016 #49
If it was about jobs and the economy how the hell did Obama get re-elected doc03 Dec 2016 #10
+1, Obama wasn't running against an overt bigot uponit7771 Dec 2016 #50
True. It was racist and sexist backlash against first black President and potentially CousinIT Dec 2016 #12
And Hillary was gonna let women and children from war torn middle east come to our country Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #15
Can't rec this enough kcr Dec 2016 #19
racism was an essential part of his victory AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #20
I think 95% of the opposition to President Obama was racial. 47of74 Dec 2016 #34
You're over simplifying Fiendish Thingy Dec 2016 #21
You are absolutely right! True Dough Dec 2016 #29
This progressoid Dec 2016 #33
"a lot of folks are underemployed" this is false on its face the LFPR has been rising for a year and uponit7771 Dec 2016 #51
Tell that to the middle aged professionals, assembly line and tech workers Fiendish Thingy Dec 2016 #64
Bingo TaterBake Dec 2016 #22
Deplorables jumped at the opportunity to crawl out from their oasis Dec 2016 #26
And even with them crawling out from under rocks, HRC still got millions of more votes Rex Dec 2016 #28
Republicans will lie, cheat , steal elmac Dec 2016 #30
West Virginia's Results: Trump, 68.7%, Clinton, 26.5% mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2016 #36
It's a mistake to assign all Trump voters to bigotry/racism. KPN Dec 2016 #38
More RWTP, the LFPR and U6 rate are at near full employment levels and the "low wage" recovery uponit7771 Dec 2016 #53
Maybe you have to come from a blue collar family TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2016 #60
Thank you TexasMomma KPN Dec 2016 #70
People voted for Trump for a slew of reasons, but the fundamental one is a corrupt corporate media. JCanete Dec 2016 #42
I know IT workers TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2016 #54
In rural Western Colorado the Trump signs did not come out until randr Dec 2016 #55
Here in eastern Iowa I didn't really see too many Agent Orange signs out 47of74 Dec 2016 #63
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #56
Before the midterms crazycatlady Dec 2016 #58
It was racism and xenophobia and sexism treestar Dec 2016 #57
It's not an either/or situation though Lotusflower70 Dec 2016 #59
true times 1000 heaven05 Dec 2016 #61
Are you here to Correct the Record? aikoaiko Dec 2016 #65
Or it could be we have a shit load of ignorant racists and bigots Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #71
No, I'm saying the HRC economic message failed to connect with enough voters in the rust belt. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #72
Those who voted for maggot MFM008 Dec 2016 #66
His base... bigots and the "keep gov't out of my medicare" idiots. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #67
It doesn't have to have been all about one thing. Orsino Dec 2016 #68
Both are true BainsBane Dec 2016 #73
Kick Cha Dec 2016 #74
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