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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Please stop saying Trump turnout is because of jobs or economy. [View all]emulatorloo
(45,552 posts)69. Fact: Hillary won w voters concerned about economy. Trump won w voters on immigration,
Hillary won with voters making under 50k, and won even more with voters making under 30k
Trump won voters making 50K and up.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html?_r=0
We're not going to learn anything about how to move forward if we work from false premises
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Trump won voters making 50K and up.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html?_r=0
We're not going to learn anything about how to move forward if we work from false premises
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"The Dangerous Myth That Hillary Clinton Ignored the Working Class"
Mark Murray @mmurraypolitics 21m21 minutes ago
Via @DKThomp, impt corrective to idea that Hillary Clinton didn't talk about the working class or how to help them https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/12/hillary-clinton-working-class/509477/
In the days after her shocking loss, Democrats complained that Clinton had no jobs agenda. A widely shared essay in The Nation blamed Clinton's "neoliberalism" for abandoning the voters who swung the election. I come from the white working class, Bernie Sanders said on CBS This Morning, and I am deeply humiliated that the Democratic Party cannot talk to where I came from.
But here is the troubling reality for civically minded liberals looking to justify their preferred strategies: Hillary Clinton talked about the working class, middle class jobs, and the dignity of work constantly. And she still lost.
She detailed plans to help coal miners and steel workers. She had decades of ideas to help parents, particularly working moms, and their children. She had plans to help young men who were getting out of prison and old men who were getting into new careers. She talked about the dignity of manufacturing jobs, the promise of clean-energy jobs, and the Obama administrations record of creating private-sector jobs for a record-breaking number of consecutive months. She said the word job more in the Democratic National Convention speech than Trump did in the RNC acceptance speech; she mentioned the word jobs more during the first presidential debate than Trump did. She offered the most comprehensively progressive economic platform of any presidential candidate in historyone specifically tailored to an economy powered by an educated workforce.
...After the election, some people called for an end to identity politics that promotes niche cultural issues over economic policy. But any reasonable working-class platform requires the advancement of policies that may disproportionately help non-whites. For example, hundreds of thousands of black men stay out of the labor force after being released from prison sentences for non-violent crimes. For them and their families, criminal justice reform is essential economic reform, even if poor whites see it as a distraction from that real issues that bedevil the working class, like trade policy.
The long-term future of the U.S. involves rising diversity, rising inequality, and rising redistribution. The combination of these forces makes for an unstable and unpredictable system. Income stagnation and inequality encourage policies to redistribute wealth from a rich few to the anxious multitudes. But when that multitude includes minorities who are seen as benefiting disproportionately from those redistribution policies, the white majority can turn resentful. (This may be one reason why the most successful social democracies, as in Scandinavia, were initially almost all white.) Nobody has really figured out how to be an effective messenger for pluralist social democracy, except, perhaps, for one of the few American adults who is legally barred from running for the U.S. presidency in the future...
read more: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/12/hillary-clinton-working-class/509477/
Mark Murray @mmurraypolitics 21m21 minutes ago
Via @DKThomp, impt corrective to idea that Hillary Clinton didn't talk about the working class or how to help them https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/12/hillary-clinton-working-class/509477/
In the days after her shocking loss, Democrats complained that Clinton had no jobs agenda. A widely shared essay in The Nation blamed Clinton's "neoliberalism" for abandoning the voters who swung the election. I come from the white working class, Bernie Sanders said on CBS This Morning, and I am deeply humiliated that the Democratic Party cannot talk to where I came from.
But here is the troubling reality for civically minded liberals looking to justify their preferred strategies: Hillary Clinton talked about the working class, middle class jobs, and the dignity of work constantly. And she still lost.
She detailed plans to help coal miners and steel workers. She had decades of ideas to help parents, particularly working moms, and their children. She had plans to help young men who were getting out of prison and old men who were getting into new careers. She talked about the dignity of manufacturing jobs, the promise of clean-energy jobs, and the Obama administrations record of creating private-sector jobs for a record-breaking number of consecutive months. She said the word job more in the Democratic National Convention speech than Trump did in the RNC acceptance speech; she mentioned the word jobs more during the first presidential debate than Trump did. She offered the most comprehensively progressive economic platform of any presidential candidate in historyone specifically tailored to an economy powered by an educated workforce.
...After the election, some people called for an end to identity politics that promotes niche cultural issues over economic policy. But any reasonable working-class platform requires the advancement of policies that may disproportionately help non-whites. For example, hundreds of thousands of black men stay out of the labor force after being released from prison sentences for non-violent crimes. For them and their families, criminal justice reform is essential economic reform, even if poor whites see it as a distraction from that real issues that bedevil the working class, like trade policy.
The long-term future of the U.S. involves rising diversity, rising inequality, and rising redistribution. The combination of these forces makes for an unstable and unpredictable system. Income stagnation and inequality encourage policies to redistribute wealth from a rich few to the anxious multitudes. But when that multitude includes minorities who are seen as benefiting disproportionately from those redistribution policies, the white majority can turn resentful. (This may be one reason why the most successful social democracies, as in Scandinavia, were initially almost all white.) Nobody has really figured out how to be an effective messenger for pluralist social democracy, except, perhaps, for one of the few American adults who is legally barred from running for the U.S. presidency in the future...
read more: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/12/hillary-clinton-working-class/509477/
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The most common words in Hillary Clintons speeches, in one chart
They werent about identity politics.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/12/16/13972394/most-common-words-hillary-clinton-speech
<snip>
I gathered all her campaign speeches (from both the primary and general campaigns) into one document and did a simple word-frequency analysis.
The results are below. As you can see, Ive been as generous as possible in filing things under identity politics. Anything about minorities or criminal justice or gay people or immigrants, I filed as identity politics. I even included mentions of climate and clean energy in that category, though in a sane world those would be top-tier economic issues.
So, without further ado, what did Hillary Clinton talk about?
<CHART>
Yeah. She talked about jobs, workers, and the economy more than anything else. They were the central focus of her public speeches.
You can critique how she talked about jobs, workers, and the economy. Maybe she should have used different words, or framed things differently. Maybe, despite running on an agenda of worker-friendly policies, she should have chosen a clearer, simpler economic theme and hit it more often.
You can critique where she talked about jobs, workers, and the economy. Clearly, in retrospect, she should have spent more time and resources in those upper Midwestern swing states.
But you cannot say she didnt talk about jobs, workers, and the economy. She talked about them all the time, more than anything else.
Its just not what voters heard. Heres what they heard in the two-month period of July 17 to September 18, according to Gallup polling:
<CHART, GALLUP polling 2 questions: "What have you heard or read about Donald Trump?" "What have you heard or read about Hillary Clinton?">
Virtually everything the media said about Clinton was about corruption, one way or another. None of it was about policy. None of it was about her actual priorities, as reflected in her speeches and her agenda.
You can critique the Clinton campaign in all sorts of ways, but excess rhetorical attention to identity politics simply isnt one of them.
They werent about identity politics.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/12/16/13972394/most-common-words-hillary-clinton-speech
<snip>
I gathered all her campaign speeches (from both the primary and general campaigns) into one document and did a simple word-frequency analysis.
The results are below. As you can see, Ive been as generous as possible in filing things under identity politics. Anything about minorities or criminal justice or gay people or immigrants, I filed as identity politics. I even included mentions of climate and clean energy in that category, though in a sane world those would be top-tier economic issues.
So, without further ado, what did Hillary Clinton talk about?
<CHART>
Yeah. She talked about jobs, workers, and the economy more than anything else. They were the central focus of her public speeches.
You can critique how she talked about jobs, workers, and the economy. Maybe she should have used different words, or framed things differently. Maybe, despite running on an agenda of worker-friendly policies, she should have chosen a clearer, simpler economic theme and hit it more often.
You can critique where she talked about jobs, workers, and the economy. Clearly, in retrospect, she should have spent more time and resources in those upper Midwestern swing states.
But you cannot say she didnt talk about jobs, workers, and the economy. She talked about them all the time, more than anything else.
Its just not what voters heard. Heres what they heard in the two-month period of July 17 to September 18, according to Gallup polling:
<CHART, GALLUP polling 2 questions: "What have you heard or read about Donald Trump?" "What have you heard or read about Hillary Clinton?">
Virtually everything the media said about Clinton was about corruption, one way or another. None of it was about policy. None of it was about her actual priorities, as reflected in her speeches and her agenda.
You can critique the Clinton campaign in all sorts of ways, but excess rhetorical attention to identity politics simply isnt one of them.
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Please stop saying Trump turnout is because of jobs or economy. [View all]
Eliot Rosewater
Dec 2016
OP
Obama didn't run against an overt and openly racist person either, this leaves out that small fact
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#45
THANK YOU ! That's what the ........ FACTS.......... show, but fuck facts on DU peoples "opinions"
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#46
no, it wasn't about jobs. we've got near-full employment. at most, it was about lies about jobs.
unblock
Dec 2016
#8
and in your part of the country what is the make up of the Senators and Representatives, the
still_one
Dec 2016
#17
And the anti-TPP fight for the 99% ers lost big time. Was not the TPP either.
bettyellen
Dec 2016
#25
+1, nah... couldn't be because Comey etc... nah, Russia didn't have SHIT to do with it /sarcasm
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#47
That's why the OP used the word "most"... we all need to pay attention to what is said
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#44
Fact: Hillary won w voters concerned about economy. Trump won w voters on immigration,
emulatorloo
Dec 2016
#69
Exactly. the far loony racist whites came out to vote while more moderate R's stayed home -tired of
Kashkakat v.2.0
Dec 2016
#4
This! They didn't compare the tax plans and assumed Dems would raise theirs and give the $ to brown
bettyellen
Dec 2016
#27
To make that vote you had to ignore that he is a racist, sexual assaulter, liar and
Eliot Rosewater
Dec 2016
#13
And a former member of my church was defending Trump's words as "locker room talk"
47of74
Dec 2016
#31
+1, they continue to rationalize their dick-ishness in their vote for Twitler
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#48
Except why in the swing states did every Democrat running for Senate lose against the establishment
still_one
Dec 2016
#18
... ahem "... were going to ignore this little factoid and beat on Hillary .... " ahem.. cough
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#49
True. It was racist and sexist backlash against first black President and potentially
CousinIT
Dec 2016
#12
And Hillary was gonna let women and children from war torn middle east come to our country
Eliot Rosewater
Dec 2016
#15
"a lot of folks are underemployed" this is false on its face the LFPR has been rising for a year and
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#51
Tell that to the middle aged professionals, assembly line and tech workers
Fiendish Thingy
Dec 2016
#64
And even with them crawling out from under rocks, HRC still got millions of more votes
Rex
Dec 2016
#28
More RWTP, the LFPR and U6 rate are at near full employment levels and the "low wage" recovery
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#53
People voted for Trump for a slew of reasons, but the fundamental one is a corrupt corporate media.
JCanete
Dec 2016
#42