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JCanete

(5,272 posts)
17. There is nothing I disagree with really about what you just said. The very sad fact about
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 05:21 PM
Dec 2016

people understanding that our system is rigged is that cynicism sets in, and opting out reinforces that fact instead of redressing it. But when our leadership tells us that nothing is wrong with the system, that doesn't exactly promote trust or enthusiasm.

And when the leadership tries to shut the doors on that debate, and actually protect the status quo by doing so, it also starts to make people wonder whether or not they are being taken for a ride by a two-party system, both of which are too cozy( to different extents), with big money.

The "trust us" mentality does not work if we aren't given reason to trust. They tell us to make sure we get those blue dogs into office, and then the blue dogs become a problem, not a solution. They "cave" and support republican principles when we need the very solidified front you're speaking of, and they become hold-outs on policy that we are actually trying to pass, forcing us to water them down or add loopholes or conditions that may poison the legislation's function. Our party tells us to vote for them, and then on these boards and elsewhere, these very people become the cover for why we couldn't do better and for why we had to cede more ground to corporate interests.

And don't take that as me saying I am in favor of the perfect over the good. I'm not. I'm in favor of policy that doesn't keep us impotent as second fiddle in Washington. Incrementalism isn't actually a thing if you don't have the power to take those baby steps. I'm in favor of going after the corporations and their media, because anything else leads us back to the same place anyway. If we don't identify our actual common enemy, the media will just keep dividing us and conquering us on whatever grounds works. The solidarity you are asking for is impossible if we don't clip its wings...if we don't start showing people who's side it is actually on. That does kind of mean we have to be entirely on the other side.

Here is what strategy was bad.... vi5 Dec 2016 #1
I agree that the pop vote lead proves that most people agree with the liberal platform.. JHan Dec 2016 #2
Obama needed to be a better salesman.... vi5 Dec 2016 #5
but in fact her 50 state strategy was in part to expand the base and was planned Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #4
Well obviously that didn't happen either... vi5 Dec 2016 #6
Fair enough. But did you read the piece? Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #7
I more or less agree with it.... vi5 Dec 2016 #8
She spent a lot of time and resources in Pennsylvania oberliner Dec 2016 #14
this piece actually is the perfect encapsulization of what I've been arguing for months Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #3
I've no problem calling it out as stupid as well.. JHan Dec 2016 #9
The article sets up a straw-man by suggesting that Sanders thinks we should refocus JCanete Dec 2016 #10
It doesn't matter who or how or what brought her more to the left, she was on the left. JHan Dec 2016 #11
The article proves that we are clueless. Take on the fucking media already. Some small percentage of JCanete Dec 2016 #12
I prove I have empathy by voting to help pass policies that benefit them... JHan Dec 2016 #13
No, the people don't know the media is corporatist. We don't tell them. They think the media has JCanete Dec 2016 #15
I don't know how to counter the misinformation: JHan Dec 2016 #16
There is nothing I disagree with really about what you just said. The very sad fact about JCanete Dec 2016 #17
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