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JHan

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16. I don't know how to counter the misinformation:
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 04:01 PM
Dec 2016

Last edited Sun Dec 18, 2016, 04:58 PM - Edit history (1)

But it has done its job which is foster distrust of Government, and Conservatives dislike Government. To destroy institutions, target people's faith in those institutions. The focus should be to get rid of* what ails us, fix what needs to be improved and fortify what already works.

I've accepted that moneyed interests and the 1% will want to involve themselves and exert influence, I expect them to. Rich people are citizens too, but the problem is when we, average citizens, opt out of the conversation and the grab for power by not showing up. Or when we quarrel and treat our allies as enemies because any plutocrat - depending on ideology- can take advantage of these divides. Imagine if we had a 100% voter turn out, there would be an immediate effect on all branches of government. So our grassroots activism has to deal with the civic ignorance that abounds and how opting out of political involvement contributes to "learned helplessness" . Citizens have to do their bit - we must always remember we have power, voting matters, despite what George Carlin says in a joke routine or anybody else.

If BOBusters think they had it rough this year, PUMA08 had even more legitimate complaints - I don't want to rehash bad blood and spill more milk, but the Dems need to rethink how nominees are selected - anything which reeks of selection by leadership ( and for me personally - caucuses) will leave a bad taste in the mouth ( to HRC's credit she again won the popular vote in the Primaries this year) So there are legitimate changes we can ask for at the operational level and in the hierarchy of the democratic party. But nothing supersedes the importance of acting cohesively to get our priorities on the agenda when the choices are so stark and the possibilities so perilous.

Here is what strategy was bad.... vi5 Dec 2016 #1
I agree that the pop vote lead proves that most people agree with the liberal platform.. JHan Dec 2016 #2
Obama needed to be a better salesman.... vi5 Dec 2016 #5
but in fact her 50 state strategy was in part to expand the base and was planned Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #4
Well obviously that didn't happen either... vi5 Dec 2016 #6
Fair enough. But did you read the piece? Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #7
I more or less agree with it.... vi5 Dec 2016 #8
She spent a lot of time and resources in Pennsylvania oberliner Dec 2016 #14
this piece actually is the perfect encapsulization of what I've been arguing for months Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #3
I've no problem calling it out as stupid as well.. JHan Dec 2016 #9
The article sets up a straw-man by suggesting that Sanders thinks we should refocus JCanete Dec 2016 #10
It doesn't matter who or how or what brought her more to the left, she was on the left. JHan Dec 2016 #11
The article proves that we are clueless. Take on the fucking media already. Some small percentage of JCanete Dec 2016 #12
I prove I have empathy by voting to help pass policies that benefit them... JHan Dec 2016 #13
No, the people don't know the media is corporatist. We don't tell them. They think the media has JCanete Dec 2016 #15
I don't know how to counter the misinformation: JHan Dec 2016 #16
There is nothing I disagree with really about what you just said. The very sad fact about JCanete Dec 2016 #17
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