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2016 Postmortem

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13. Those who claim treason has been committed either don't know the history of
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 12:54 PM
Dec 2016

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the Constitutional precedents regarding prosecutions for treason or are ignoring them. That's harsh, but it's true.

You know who wasn't charged with treason?

The Rosenbergs, who (rightfully or wrongly) were charged with and convicted of selling atomic secrets to the Soviets at a time when they were considered a greater threat to the US than Russia is now.

Also not charged with treason? Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen, convicted of spying for the Soviets and turning over to them intelligence data that compromised and, in some instances, led to the death of American assets.

More recently -- Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning -- not charged with treason after unlawfully handing over to wikileaks classified information, acts deemed to be injurious to US efforts in the "war" on terror.

Treason has been and is limited to two situations: Levying war. And providing "aid and comfort" to those levying war. Levying war has been understood to mean an active shooting war -- and we don't have that. There is no doubt that Trump benefitted from and probably directly or through agents encouraged the hacking and/or dissemination of the hacked information through wikileaks. And hopefully after a full investigation prosecutions for various crimes will be initiated. But they won't be for treason.

treason. [View all] LaydeeBug Dec 2016 OP
But no one will call it treason. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #1
strongly worded letters. They will act as though vote certification outweighs the Will of the People LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #2
But to fight, or to question too much is to cast doubt guillaumeb Dec 2016 #3
That doesn't mean they didn't do it, 10,000 here...there... LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #5
Agreed. I believe that what Greg Palast has reported, guillaumeb Dec 2016 #6
Who admitted it? nt B2G Dec 2016 #4
Who now? jmg257 Dec 2016 #7
There is no one left but the People sarisataka Dec 2016 #8
That's funny you should ask...but in this nuclear age...a LOT. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #9
You may be interested in my latest post here. triron Dec 2016 #10
link? I'd love to see it LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #11
knr triron Dec 2016 #12
Those who claim treason has been committed either don't know the history of onenote Dec 2016 #13
You are correct in that triron Dec 2016 #14
Treason doth never prosper DavidDvorkin Dec 2016 #15
The problem is, it does. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #16
The rest of the quotation explains that it does. DavidDvorkin Dec 2016 #17
You are correct, LaydeeBug... ElementaryPenguin Dec 2016 #18
This is a very enlightening post. Thank you for it. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #19
As I said before it is 24 out of 28 that gives a chance of triron Dec 2016 #20
Thanks, triron. nt ElementaryPenguin Dec 2016 #21
I made an arithmetic error. triron Dec 2016 #22
I wish you would get your numbers right. pangaia Jan 2017 #30
knr triron Dec 2016 #23
kick LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #24
kick again triron Jan 2017 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Ilsa Jan 2017 #26
If they drag Trump out of the Whitehouse in shackles Trumpm and his supporters will doc03 Jan 2017 #27
It absolutely is. In every way. AgadorSparticus Jan 2017 #28
Yes, call it what it is onetexan Jan 2017 #29
You would not believe how many posters tried to tell me I was wrong... LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #31
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