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2016 Postmortem

oberliner

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34. Starting with Russ Feingold

Reply to zipplewrath (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2016, 08:52 AM

Dec 2016

I had high hopes for him winning that election.

What the heck happened there?

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We have to explain ALL the losses [View all] zipplewrath Dec 2016 OP

Yes hueymahl Dec 2016 #1

Not without all the data, we don't. Orsino Dec 2016 #2

Evidence of their effect? zipplewrath Dec 2016 #3

The evidence is in the roster of usual suspects who conspire to keep this information secret. Orsino Dec 2016 #4

Where is the effect zipplewrath Dec 2016 #5

The effect is as stated. Orsino Dec 2016 #8

So you have nothing but suspicions zipplewrath Dec 2016 #9

No one will ever be able to... Orsino Dec 2016 #13

So instead zipplewrath Dec 2016 #14

The key word is work. Orsino Dec 2016 #16

I'd start with turn out data zipplewrath Dec 2016 #17

But the Republicans had less and spent less this cycle, at least on a national level. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #28

(If we don't count the billions in free airtime for Trump.) Orsino Dec 2016 #29

Yeah, he was good at getting publicity, but Hillary had awesome name recognition. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #30

(If we don't count the billions in free airtime for Trump.) Orsino Dec 2016 #32

It can't be counted. If Hillary wanted to go out on those shows Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #33

It was counted. It was over US$ 3 bn. Orsino Dec 2016 #36

I dislike myself for reading your post and thinking conspiracy theory. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #20

Dark money? The Clinton campaign spent a lot more than the Trump campaign. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #25

It's okay to count swings of the pendulum... Orsino Dec 2016 #31

I agree utterly with your points here, and I think this was one of the main issues in 2016 Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #35

I think the loses at the state level are in some ways even more worrying than the presidential loss. Willie Pep Dec 2016 #6

Yes. Time to panic early so we can turn this around - not since 1920 have we seen this. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #27

The losses can almost entirely be attributed to rigging elections philosslayer Dec 2016 #7

Evidence? zipplewrath Dec 2016 #10

Read the original post philosslayer Dec 2016 #11

But not the presidential or senate zipplewrath Dec 2016 #18

DOWN BALLOT philosslayer Dec 2016 #19

yes, but zipplewrath Dec 2016 #23

Gerrymandering may have an effect, but first the Republicans have to gain state control. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #26

I wouldn't argue it is meaningless mythology Dec 2016 #24

It would seem any rational discussion that does not include Russian hacking is letting LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #12

You're spot on. Captain Stern Dec 2016 #15

Agreed 100%. Kick and rec Arazi Dec 2016 #21

Collate the data as you instruct others to do, analyze it and please let us know what you find out.. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #22

Starting with Russ Feingold oberliner Dec 2016 #34