2016 Postmortem

JCanete

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52. if you think our media got "drawn in" you still don't really get it. Our media has been delivering

Thu Dec 15, 2016, 01:16 PM

Dec 2016

elections to the GOP for years, mostly down-ticket, in large part just for sucking as an information outlet, but in so many tonal ways as well. It isn't coincidental or a byproduct of other things.

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Do you think if HRC had just focused more on economic justice and not on social justice [View all] La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 OP

As a person who adores Hillary I admit Hillary and her staff made some campaign mistakes but... hrmjustin Dec 2016 #1

they made some mistakes, but those who say she ignored economic justice are lying/wrong La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #2

You put it better than I could. hrmjustin Dec 2016 #5

The media and America let Hillary down. Simple as that. And I listened to many riversedge Dec 2016 #9

Never underestimate the shallowness and ignorance of the voting masses. dionysus Dec 2016 #66

Seems media was coordinating with the Russians and Comey triron Dec 2016 #81

She did NOT ignore it. The voters just judged her not credible on the issue. hollowdweller Dec 2016 #96

really? then why do exit polls all show that those who prioritized the economy voted for her? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #97

Let's take a look at those exit polls. YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #105

She did ignore important economic related facts loyalsister Dec 2016 #100

It's hard to say ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #3

LOL DURHAM D Dec 2016 #4

my friend is deadly serious about this question La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #6

We could drive ourselves crazy sweetroxie Dec 2016 #7

I'm sure those Rust Belt voters who gave this election away... yallerdawg Dec 2016 #8

WRONG. A better and clearer economic message and campaigning there would have helped. She spent RBInMaine Dec 2016 #19

I basically said the same thing in another thread and got shredded for it. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #23

No. She had a message metroins Dec 2016 #29

Her basic message played over and over was that Trump was bad. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #39

You weren't listening very closely, then. I have to respectfully disagree with your assessment ehrnst Dec 2016 #40

The below was part of the problem with her candidacy. She might have had SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #43

Yes, that was a gaffe, and I think that there was no way she was going to win ANY coal country votes ehrnst Dec 2016 #44

I'm not saying that it didn't stand, it does. But she had a number of "gaffes" SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #72

Her being a woman was a 'gaffe' for many. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #76

I suppose. But her politcal gaffes didn't help her candidacy. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #94

No candidate is without gaffes. Certainly none of the 'Democrat' candidates. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #95

That's true. I guess I keep having to go back to her economic messaging. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #98

What statistics do you base claim on? (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #99

She lost Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #102

I asked for the statistics that showed she lost because of specific messaging in those states. ehrnst Dec 2016 #103

I know we've already covered this, but I'll try again. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #104

His airplane couldn't land in small town America. yallerdawg Dec 2016 #24

Yep, she won the voters who were concerned with econ, but lost those who ehrnst Dec 2016 #41

WRONG. She said a LOT about economics, and got the voters who were voting on that issue. ehrnst Dec 2016 #42

No. hamsterjill Dec 2016 #10

I think Russia wanted Trump get the red out Dec 2016 #11

Russia would of intervened anyway. They didn't want Clinton in period. TrekLuver Dec 2016 #12

Putin didn't want her in because she stood up to him. duffyduff Dec 2016 #15

Yes he is...I just wonder how far is Putin up his ass and how many entanglements they TrekLuver Dec 2016 #25

I'm going to keep posting this and continue to be ignored, I think uniformly... JCanete Dec 2016 #13

i completely agree with you. just so you know. as does president obama La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #14

Thanks for saying so! I'm going to have to look that interview up! nt JCanete Dec 2016 #16

he said something to the effect of, how weak is our democracy when something La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #17

yeah, no kidding. Hopefully the party will come to life on this issue. nt JCanete Dec 2016 #18

While of course some of Trashpot voters because of the economy...and for some reason they think he TrekLuver Dec 2016 #28

She did. There were releases of DNC emails timed to distract from many of her message speeches. ehrnst Dec 2016 #45

if you think our media got "drawn in" you still don't really get it. Our media has been delivering JCanete Dec 2016 #52

They jump at the shiny object, no matter who. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #54

no way...esoteric email noise isn't shiny. They could have made a shit load of hay out of Trump JCanete Dec 2016 #56

It's not about choosing BETWEEN social justice and economic justice Ken Burch Dec 2016 #20

for you to stop pretending that she didn't emphasize economic justice La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #21

It's not about Hillary as a person or as a candidate. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #38

There was carefully timed releases of hacked information to detract from her message ehrnst Dec 2016 #46

I'm not arguing that we should have nominated Bernie. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #59

Sadly, if it gets ignored or isn't heard, it migjt as well never happened... dionysus Dec 2016 #67

Sure. But that's a different problem La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #69

I don't understand why it's an either/or issue as well. jalan48 Dec 2016 #22

Bernie think that continuing to talk 'identity politics' instead of wages for the white middle class ehrnst Dec 2016 #47

Well, we have Trump now so we will see how the identity politics works for us. jalan48 Dec 2016 #51

Than who? (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #62

Good question. I realized my statement is confusing. jalan48 Dec 2016 #63

BLM has ally groups, if that is what you mean. ehrnst Dec 2016 #64

Yes, I was thinking more within the Democratic Party---like coalitions. jalan48 Dec 2016 #65

I think it's good to acknowledge them, stay in communication and take cues from them ehrnst Dec 2016 #68

Thanks-How is power then shared between various groups? Who decides? jalan48 Dec 2016 #70

I don't see why BLM and labor would be at odds or competitors within the party ehrnst Dec 2016 #73

Thanks again for responding to my second response/post. Working together is the way to go. jalan48 Dec 2016 #74

I think that most Democrats are progressive, so I think it will happen. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #75

No Freethinker65 Dec 2016 #26

Trump is more easily manipulated. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #27

I think that this who voted for MFM008 Dec 2016 #30

The media covers what it wants to cover. LisaM Dec 2016 #31

$igh Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #32

i loved that segment. i posted this thread to point to our craziness about ignoring what happened La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #33

Exactly mcar Dec 2016 #34

That her email would not have been an issue? sfwriter Dec 2016 #35

If only she learned to juggle while riding a unicycle... lame54 Dec 2016 #36

When referring to "social justice" the problem wasn't necessarily her message Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2016 #37

great point. Never thought of it that way. /nt JHan Dec 2016 #101

I think it would have made her lead insurmountable Arazi Dec 2016 #48

she's ahead 2.8 million votes La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #49

She lost the Rust Belt states where the economy is hurting Arazi Dec 2016 #50

The rust belt also has some very strong racism as well as xenophobia and terrorism fears ehrnst Dec 2016 #53

I don't think it would matter that much. kentuck Dec 2016 #55

Again, nobody is saying Hillary SHOULDN'T have talked about social justice Ken Burch Dec 2016 #57

i like that you think your answer to the same thread is worth repeating twice. nt La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #58

You've repeated the strawman that there's a widespread call for the party to stop fighting bigotry Ken Burch Dec 2016 #60

+1 hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #78

i have not repeated any strawman. just because you want to accuse me of something La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #87

There might be a tiny, tiny minority of people saying social justice should be "downplayed" Ken Burch Dec 2016 #89

why are you intent on convincing me of something? can you not for a minute think that you might be La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #90

First Post! I say no - this election, more than any HeartachesNhangovers Dec 2016 #61

Welcome to DU!! (eom) StevieM Dec 2016 #71

I love this question lol JHan Dec 2016 #77

thanks! i have my moments. La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #86

NO Me. Dec 2016 #79

Ha ha that is a good one triron Dec 2016 #80

i know. i am running around clutching my pearls about it! La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #85

Hillary did not neglect economic justice. raging moderate Dec 2016 #82

i completely agree. my post was completely in sarcasm to these baseless allegations La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #84

Yes, I know. raging moderate Dec 2016 #93

I honestly don't recall her harping on social justice... vi5 Dec 2016 #83

yes. in no way am i saying she made no mistakes. i think she followed the data La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #88

Hillary would have won if Exilednight Dec 2016 #91

No. It doesn't matter what she focused on. GoCubsGo Dec 2016 #92