2016 Postmortem

Bernardo de La Paz

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82. Your logic utterly fails. For example:

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 06:00 PM

Dec 2016

If a judge convicts a violent criminal of spouse abuse and then later they get out and kill the judge, then your logic would say "the judge brought it on her/himself".

When person A does something to anger B who then retaliates against A does not mean that A "brought it on themselves".

It doesn't matter if A and B are business people where A blocks a merger & acquisition by B.

It doesn't matter if A is Hillary and B is Putin.

It doesn't matter if A and B are posters on DU where an angry B cyber-bullies A in retaliation.

Posters like Jalan and other DU posters are perfectly within bounds to assert that A bothered B and then B retaliated. When they do so, they can't be accused of "insinuating" that A brought B's illegal or unethical actions down on themselves.

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How we regarded election fraud and systemic bias in the primary [View all] hellofromreddit Dec 2016 OP

WOW !! Another "Russia Who?!" postmortem OP uponit7771 Dec 2016 #1

I didn't say anything about Russia one way or another. Is that some new requirement? hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #3

That's the point, everything else is peripheral and marginal at best ... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #4

Exactly. Squinch Dec 2016 #18

And it turns out that these talking points were promoted by Russia to keep the Bernie Bros mad Botany Dec 2016 #2

Ah, but that doesn't explain folks getting apoplectic about Sanders requesting a recanvas. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #7

Bernie and his recounts and his staying way to long helped us lose this election and there was no Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #26

Tell me, how did it feel to manipulated by Putin? CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #44

Childish bs like that has been costing us elections. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #52

I agree Botany. I have always felt like the emails that Russia stole and then leaked through skylucy Dec 2016 #33

your screen name, "hellofromreddit" hlthe2b Dec 2016 #5

Hi! hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #6

Yeah, like we really need the kind of shit the cesspool of reddit generated this election season. JTFrog Dec 2016 #11

BERNIE WUS ROBBED!!...nt SidDithers Dec 2016 #8

Yes, the Russians said so! CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #45

LOL. Still with the conspiracy theories? I look forward to your OPs about pizzagate. DanTex Dec 2016 #9

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I wonder why Bernie was not attacked by the Russians or the Repubicans Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #27

False. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #28

That obscure link to an ad no one saw is supposed to prove what exactly? nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #64

What's this hole in the ground?!? I could have sworn there was a goalpost here! hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #67

Directly addressing your points is moving goalposts to you? stevenleser Dec 2016 #69

This whole Russia thing is beginning to feel like Shock Doctrine to me. jalan48 Dec 2016 #10

I think many fear a civil war to be honest. JTFrog Dec 2016 #12

They won't get far. You forget not all of them are batshit crazies and want to get re-elected. duffyduff Dec 2016 #13

Then why isn't the Democratic Party leadership calling for massive protests? jalan48 Dec 2016 #15

Why would you think they would call for massive protests? When was the last time they Squinch Dec 2016 #19

I thought the Russians intervened to affect the outcome of our Presidential election. jalan48 Dec 2016 #20

You are suggesting that because the Democratic leaders aren't calling for riots in the streets Squinch Dec 2016 #21

Somehow protests/demonstrations became riots-interesting. jalan48 Dec 2016 #23

You aren't sensing I don't think its serious, because I have STATED that I DO think it's serious. Squinch Dec 2016 #40

Great to hear you are on board. jalan48 Dec 2016 #48

Wish you were on board. Don't know why you are pulling this bullshit, but I guess internet Squinch Dec 2016 #54

I'm not getting worked up until I see better evidence of fraud. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #24

Exactly.. I don't wanna turn into Alex Jones realmirage Dec 2016 #51

What do you expect our leaders to do exactly? Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #31

From what I'm hearing Hillary didn't lose. The Russian's cost her the election. jalan48 Dec 2016 #34

No, she lost in part because Putin manipulated Bernie supporters CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #46

I can't speak for others but that wasn't the case for me. jalan48 Dec 2016 #49

You seem to be insinutating that Putin was justified..... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #55

No insinuation at all as to justification. Just more information on the background. jalan48 Dec 2016 #56

This is your post, read it with a fresh eye and tell me again how it can't possibly be read.... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #58

I don't see it. Sorry. jalan48 Dec 2016 #59

My first sentence was a comment on your post .... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #61

Thanks. I can see how my words might be interpreted in a way I had not intended. jalan48 Dec 2016 #74

Thanks for the clarification CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #78

YW jalan48 Dec 2016 #79

Your logic utterly fails. For example: Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2016 #82

I think you are replying to the wrong person CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #83

Nope. You. You are the one illogically reading a false insinuation into the quoted bit. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2016 #84

Agree! +100 skylucy Dec 2016 #35

Dems NEVER do that sort of thing -- for better or worse. They try to take the high road Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #39

Nope, there were suspicions of this before Election Day while we all thought stevenleser Dec 2016 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author jalan48 Dec 2016 #14

Sanders was on the DC ballot BainsBane Dec 2016 #16

I always found that amusing.. JHan Dec 2016 #29

Nope. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #38

So if you think nothing untoward effected the primary results - why equate it with the Russian hacks bettyellen Dec 2016 #53

I'm pointing out the disparity of reactions around here. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #57

So mocking some voters is "interference"? Oh bullshit. bettyellen Dec 2016 #60

Not what I'm saying. Not playing that game with you either. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #62

It's what you said. Seriously that deserves more mocking. bettyellen Dec 2016 #63

A foolish consistency is indeed, the hobgoblin of little minds. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #72

Another "we deserve this because Bernie wasn't crowned king" thread? Seriously? bettyellen Dec 2016 #22

Obviously not what I said. All the text is there, feel free to reread as many times as you need. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #25

I won't read it...and I wonder who you voted for... Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #32

You're flat out calling Dems here hypocrites and it's bulllshit. bettyellen Dec 2016 #41

I just posted links to threads in the forum. What you're mad at is harsh reality. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #42

What's the harsh reality you keep tap dancing around? bettyellen Dec 2016 #43

Link hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #50

Nope, your links aren't reality, they are spin. nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #66

Well, yeah. That's kinda the point. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #68

Yes, it is. nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #70

Cowering behind obvious implication is good politics. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #73

Yep. I agree. That is getting really old, isn't it? skylucy Dec 2016 #36

*yawn* Lil Missy Dec 2016 #30

I've been a registered Democrat in NY for over 40 years. lapucelle Dec 2016 #37

Excellent post CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #47

A hundred times this!!!!! JHan Dec 2016 #76

... LexVegas Dec 2016 #71

+1. Funny isnt it. jack_krass Dec 2016 #75

Hillary beat Bernie by 4 million votes and she beat trump by almost 3 million..popular votes..nt asuhornets Dec 2016 #77

Is Reddit that anti-woman website? nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #80

That gave us Wiki-worship, and the Guccifer crap. bettyellen Dec 2016 #81