2016 Postmortem

Qutzupalotl

(15,137 posts)

35. I mostly agree.

Reply to if..fish..had..wings (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 01:33 PM

Dec 2016

We should be talking about how we're right on the issues and in agreement with most Americans. That will help us in future elections.

Where I disagree is on the Russian meddling. That is a major issue, and our incoming president and his national security advisor are both compromised and subject to influence by a foreign power. Trump can be blackmailed, and that's a problem.

As much as I disagree with Pence, I'd rather have him as president and Trump out of the picture; at least Pence would not hand our state secrets to Putin. His cabinet picks would be less crazy. Still partisan, but not as nuts. Bannon would not be strategist, for example. Tillerson might not be SOS.

An election do-over is not in the Constitution, as you noted, although these recent events are unprecedented. An EC revolt is an extremely long shot. Impeachment looks unlikely, short of a formal accusation of high crimes — yet that might be coming.

Obama is president for now, and a lot can happen before January 20.

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Calls Grow For A New Presidential Election To Be Held After Russia Meddled To Help Trump [View all] ffr Dec 2016 OP

Unless you participate in the majority party in Congress your opinion does not count. gordianot Dec 2016 #1

Maybe a National Strike is in order! putitinD Dec 2016 #11

Note: Baer says he is not a lawyer, constitutional lawyer. longship Dec 2016 #2

I agree with you. It's nice hearing these options coming to light, C Moon Dec 2016 #3

It's a nightmare alright... keep thinkin I'm going to wake up from it, only to encounter another day in hell. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #4

I went through the same nightmare, but I was at the Javits Center. lapucelle Dec 2016 #27

Then there's the fourth option 2naSalit Dec 2016 #8

I deliberately avoided mentioning that one. longship Dec 2016 #9

"Nobody wants that"? Speak for yourself. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #16

I stand by my posts here. nt longship Dec 2016 #17

Revolt would be spectacularly unsuccessful Calista241 Dec 2016 #19

3 million more voted for Hillary. libtodeath Dec 2016 #20

So what? Everyone votes for a losing candidate at some point in their lives. Calista241 Dec 2016 #21

I am just saying that we are not outnumbered. libtodeath Dec 2016 #22

Peaceful resistance would be successful, radius777 Dec 2016 #44

I don't. Calista241 Dec 2016 #52

True, it won't stop him from being president radius777 Dec 2016 #57

Robert Baer, unknown to 99 percent of the population onenote Dec 2016 #5

absolutely, but we need all paper ballots, all hand-counted. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #6

paper ballots hand counted TWICE, just to make sure EVERY vote is counted correctly. putitinD Dec 2016 #12

You do realize, if Trump is removed.. yuiyoshida Dec 2016 #7

Maybe people should read the Constitution oberliner Dec 2016 #10

You are shackled to a deeply flawed piece of paper. BSdetect Dec 2016 #36

What are you suggesting? oberliner Dec 2016 #37

One which defines the position of president jberryhill Dec 2016 #53

This will never happen TheHak Dec 2016 #13

FFS, do they even teach anything... Kotya Dec 2016 #14

My 2 cents if..fish..had..wings Dec 2016 #15

I enjoyed reading your post. Kotya Dec 2016 #18

I think we should talk about everything EricMaundry Dec 2016 #23

The fact that there is thievery and disenfranchisement should not be ignored either. libtodeath Dec 2016 #24

But some fish do have wings. Welcome to DU #1 poster. ffr Dec 2016 #25

Not sure bot that. Not a typo. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2016 #30

why if..fish..had..wings Dec 2016 #58

Great 1st post! Welcome to DU! JudyM Dec 2016 #63

Awwww!!! Bless your heart! n/t GoCubsGo Dec 2016 #29

I mostly agree. Qutzupalotl Dec 2016 #35

Yes if..fish..had..wings Dec 2016 #59

"Do not talk about the Russian hack, bad as it is..." VOX Dec 2016 #48

I couldnt agree more with your last two paragraphs. jack_krass Dec 2016 #61

Notice the brand-new posters, telling us to back off and just put up with all the current shit. Paladin Dec 2016 #26

I have been seeing a lot of new people trying to calm us down. rzemanfl Dec 2016 #28

Yeah, I have noticed it, as well. GoCubsGo Dec 2016 #31

Notice how some of the "brand new posters"... A Round Tuit Dec 2016 #33

And a very well-deserved goodbye to you---and your cohorts---as well. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #42

Yes and a few others saying surrender too. libtodeath Dec 2016 #39

I've noticed. triron Dec 2016 #47

Not my intent if..fish..had..wings Dec 2016 #60

The ball is in the EC's court, and they won't do shit. duffyduff Dec 2016 #32

It's not going to happen BainsBane Dec 2016 #34

Can't they charge Trump with treason or something NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #38

And where does a pending criminal charge make someone "ineligible to take office"? jberryhill Dec 2016 #54

Is there any provision in the Constitution that would actually allow for a national re-vote? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #40

In the constitution.......? suston96 Dec 2016 #43

As Ace Ventura would say... Ken Burch Dec 2016 #46

He had in mind rebutting the argument onenote Dec 2016 #50

In his mind..... suston96 Dec 2016 #56

No jberryhill Dec 2016 #55

Wasn't there a case in Pennsylvania NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #68

New elections? Sounds like a good idea..... suston96 Dec 2016 #41

Don't forget Comey, he helped the most flamingdem Dec 2016 #45

Baer isn't stupid, he knows the Constitution won't alow a revote. radius777 Dec 2016 #49

Start calling Trump radical noodle Dec 2016 #51

I'm not sure what would be different in a revote kudzu22 Dec 2016 #62

Not alleging vote hacked YET. triron Dec 2016 #64

True kudzu22 Dec 2016 #65

trouble with that triron Dec 2016 #66

"calls grow"? wtf does that even mean? 0rganism Dec 2016 #67