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dawg

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51. You deserve a thorough response.
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 09:19 AM
Dec 2016

You say that Trump voters are "just fed up and pissed off at you not caring about their children having a home and food ..."

Well, our party offered them:

1. an increased minimum wage
2. a free public college education for those children
3. expanded access to health care
4. re-training for workers hit by job losses in declining industries
5. guaranteed maternal leave
6. a vastly expanded tax credit for parents of young children
7. major expansion of green energy jobs

What did Trump offer them? A vague promise to "Make America great again"? A promise to bring back coal mining jobs that are never coming back?

In actuality, we offered them help and they gave us the finger.

Also, I think it's cute that you think the fact that you once lived in rural Maine makes you think you understand these people. I live in red rural Georgia. I didn't "used" to live there. I'm here now, and have been for most of my life. I literally talk to white working-class Trump voters every day of my life. I don't read about then in the NY Times. I don't watch Van Jones interview them on CNN. I hear the shit that comes out of their own damned mouths, live and in person.

I remember the good "Christian" woman who told me that Obamacare would be a disaster because if all "those" people had access to health care, doctor's offices would be too crowded and she would have to wait to get an appointment. (Fuck all those people who were previously shut out of the health care system, I don't want to have to wait.)

I heard all the "sensible" people who told me Obama was "persecuting" the churches. The ones who said he was coming for our guns. (And yes, I have guns. And a pickup truck, too. Am I still a coastal elitist?)

These people believe a vast array of delusional things. In my opinion, we do them no favors by playing nice with them and making believe that they, perhaps, have a point. They do not.

As for your comment about about liberals being more concerned about getting legally stoned than they are about children's needs, I can only conclude that you are talking about Johnson and Stein voters. Democrats certainly gave you nothing to gripe about there.

You want to know the sad, sad truth? It's this ...

White working-class voters didn't vote for Trump because they are hurting. They voted for him because they weren't hurting *enough*.

The economy is better than it was eight years ago. Back then, we were at risk of a systemic financial collapse. People knew something had to change, and they started at the top.

Now, things certainly aren't 100% rosy, but they are better. Voters who listed the economy as their main concern overwhelmingly voted for Secretary Clinton. But others felt *safe* enough to revert to their default setting - bigotry, intolerance, xenophobia, and scapegoating of the "other". Or, as they would put it, they just rejected all of this "political correctness" that has been "shoved down their throats" the last eight years.

We do ourselves no favors by imagining a world that is different from the one we really live in. We offered these people real, concrete policy proposals that would help them and their children. They told us to go fuck ourselves.

So that 2naSalit Dec 2016 #1
that never happened apparently..figment of our collective imaginations.. JHan Dec 2016 #4
I'm sick of this shit. dawg Dec 2016 #2
there is a huge difference between "liberal ideals" BREMPRO Dec 2016 #5
I did, and his line of reasoning is "elitist" itself. dawg Dec 2016 #6
SOME of them voted for Obama. It's up to the Left/Liberals to figure out how to manipulate KittyWampus Dec 2016 #17
But just between you and me, if they aren't full blown racists ... dawg Dec 2016 #21
That's not elitist at all... NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #18
They are delusional. And fuck them! dawg Dec 2016 #20
I'm not a liberal. I'm a moderate. NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #49
Thanks for this. it is is the kind of direct experience BREMPRO Dec 2016 #50
You deserve a thorough response. dawg Dec 2016 #51
I guess they are in a way treestar Dec 2016 #19
Anyone who thinks it's elitist to stand up for those ideals was never going to be won. kcr Dec 2016 #7
Many voted for Obama, twice, not the GOP. BREMPRO Dec 2016 #22
Kudos to Van for reaching out but not everyone agrees with his assessment of "Deplorable".. JHan Dec 2016 #3
yes, they showed us how not racist they are, by voting for Trump. Brilliant! Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #11
I am reaching my Van Jones limit these days. Justice Dec 2016 #8
I have confidence that Keith Ellison will be listening to Van Jones and that will help geek tragedy Dec 2016 #9
I agree, well said BREMPRO Dec 2016 #23
Agree ...... Kathy M Dec 2016 #41
I personally find this argument very unconvincing Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #10
It became a rallying cry for a lot of his followers NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #26
the question is did it change anyone's mind? Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #29
it's doubtful it changed anybody's mind about who to support NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #30
yes, makes sense. Thanks. Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #32
I doubt this will be heard pscot Dec 2016 #12
Not here for sure. But i do believe that Van's viewpoint is shared by the majority on the left. jack_krass Dec 2016 #16
Yep, Van "gets it" jack_krass Dec 2016 #13
yes poor white folk dsc Dec 2016 #14
Those Trump supporters can watch Trump with wealthy donors now - dismantling the US Justice Dec 2016 #15
He's right, plus.. speaktruthtopower Dec 2016 #24
Good point, didn't know that. BREMPRO Dec 2016 #25
A truly inclusive party includes white people, including white men Dems to Win Dec 2016 #27
If POC are the 'Rising America,' then whites are the 'Falling America.' Dems to Win Dec 2016 #28
yeah, White men have been oppressed for so long in leadership positions ... JHan Dec 2016 #31
Just one small example of an attitude that I believe is helping Democrats lose Dems to Win Dec 2016 #33
So.... JHan Dec 2016 #34
One young white man went from Occupy Wall Street to Bernie supporter to considering Trump Dems to Win Dec 2016 #36
Yes, and I have a million more stories like that... JHan Dec 2016 #38
This is what gets you wondering about your place in the party? taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #35
I come from a long line of white working class Americans Dems to Win Dec 2016 #37
exactly. that's the point. the well intentioned diversity message BREMPRO Dec 2016 #43
Van Jones is right! red dog 1 Dec 2016 #39
Van Jones for DNC Chair Dems to Win Dec 2016 #40
Me too! red dog 1 Dec 2016 #42
he'd be a brilliant choice! I think he could both unite the party BREMPRO Dec 2016 #44
Add me too !! Kathy M Dec 2016 #47
Agree .... Kathy M Dec 2016 #46
I copied this from a Facebook post. It shows some of "their" thinking. mackdaddy Dec 2016 #45
Thanks for that red dog 1 Dec 2016 #48
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