2016 Postmortem

still_one

(96,541 posts)

4. I think Noam Chomsky said it best

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 03:38 AM

Dec 2016

"Progressives who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton made a ‘bad mistake’

"“I think they a bad mistake,” said Chomsky, who reiterated that it’s important to keep a “greater evil” from obtaining power, even if you’re not thrilled with the alternative. “I didn’t like Clinton at all, but her positions are much better than Trump’s on every issue I can think of.”

Chomsky also attacked the arguments made by philosopher Slavoj Zizek, who argued that Trump’s election would at least shake up the system and provide a real rallying point for the left.

“ terrible point,” Chomsky told Hasan. “It was the same point that people like him said about Hitler in the early ’30s… he’ll shake up the system in bad ways.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/noam-chomsky-progressives-who-refused-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton-made-a-bad-mistake/

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

41 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Hillary Haters Face Reality Voting For tRump [View all] Grassy Knoll Dec 2016 OP

A friend of mine's daughter is one of those Bernie millennials, she voted for Johnson doc03 Dec 2016 #1

She never voted for Bernie for the right reasons, if somehow she was able to trade-up for Johnson. JCanete Dec 2016 #2

It was "cool" to vote for Johnson woolldog Dec 2016 #8

well then they didn't know what anti-establishment was. nt JCanete Dec 2016 #21

Yes but the reason she never voted for Hillary was some of the retoric doc03 Dec 2016 #12

which applies double or more so to the republican party and most pro-corporate politicians. JCanete Dec 2016 #23

There are no guarantees for 'never happened" scenarios CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #32

Your version of selfish is not mine. Being a part of the democratic process by running for election JCanete Dec 2016 #33

Oh, I forgot. Only ultra progressives are never selfish CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #35

I'm sorry, what just happened there? You got that from my post in which I suggested that JCanete Dec 2016 #36

Perhaps, I misread your intentions and you misread mine CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #37

tbh if he hadn't run I think that would have depressed turnout as well forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #40

Wasn't it Bernie that started the "corrupt corporate serving Hillary" theme? CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #14

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #15

You, my friend, are a perfect example of what I was talking about in my post above CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #17

HER OWN STAFF were raising the alarm about the speeches killbotfactory Dec 2016 #18

Her staff were paid to look for weak point so that they can be mitigated CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #19

I supported Bernie and fell in line behind Clinton when he lost. killbotfactory Dec 2016 #22

A genteel primary fight, really? CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #30

Nailed it... SidDithers Dec 2016 #24

"Nailed it" x 2!!!! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #34

"corporate giveaways that he could have never provided." JCanete Dec 2016 #25

Until Comney, most polls had us winning a senate majority and big gains in congress. bettyellen Dec 2016 #26

You can't have this both ways. Either Sanders cost us the election, in which case I say no, the DNC JCanete Dec 2016 #27

Actually it was such a squeaker that any of a multitude of things could have turned it around... bettyellen Dec 2016 #28

Sure. I'm not going to dredge up for the purposes of this conversation whether all accusations JCanete Dec 2016 #29

Good points but Seasider Dec 2016 #38

No, but those individuals, whoever they are, weren't goaded to do so by Sanders JCanete Dec 2016 #39

Most people aren't going to face that reality very quickly, and those people who hate Hillary, or JCanete Dec 2016 #3

I think Noam Chomsky said it best still_one Dec 2016 #4

Yes, this is a fair criticism of the approach. I was just saying that people who JCanete Dec 2016 #5

They must be rejoicing now at all the system shock. I hold them accountable for it. Justice Dec 2016 #7

No, that neve happens. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #9

Did you forget about President Obama? mtnsnake Dec 2016 #13

Exit polls in both 1992 and 1996 clearly showed that Perot took equally from both candidates. StevieM Dec 2016 #31

They're going to learn "the hard way". Serves them right. Narrow oasis Dec 2016 #6

I think the worst part is how such people style themselves "heroes" in their own minds. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #10

I understand them--Well, kinda ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #11

This. And there is no hope changing their minds, either. duffyduff Dec 2016 #16

Yup... SidDithers Dec 2016 #20

I saw a post on Joe.My.God that said it beautifully. yardwork Dec 2016 #41