2016 Postmortem

Fast Walker 52

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29. the question is did it change anyone's mind?

Thu Dec 8, 2016, 04:07 PM

Dec 2016

Also-- as I saw somewhere else (see post #3 here), there is kind of a white elitism at work here, where white people getting upset if you call them racist is intolerable and can't be questioned.

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Van Jones Blames 'Hurricane Trump' on Unexpected Culprit [View all] BREMPRO Dec 2016 OP

So that 2naSalit Dec 2016 #1

that never happened apparently..figment of our collective imaginations.. JHan Dec 2016 #4

I'm sick of this shit. dawg Dec 2016 #2

there is a huge difference between "liberal ideals" BREMPRO Dec 2016 #5

I did, and his line of reasoning is "elitist" itself. dawg Dec 2016 #6

SOME of them voted for Obama. It's up to the Left/Liberals to figure out how to manipulate KittyWampus Dec 2016 #17

But just between you and me, if they aren't full blown racists ... dawg Dec 2016 #21

That's not elitist at all... NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #18

They are delusional. And fuck them! dawg Dec 2016 #20

I'm not a liberal. I'm a moderate. NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #49

Thanks for this. it is is the kind of direct experience BREMPRO Dec 2016 #50

You deserve a thorough response. dawg Dec 2016 #51

I guess they are in a way treestar Dec 2016 #19

Anyone who thinks it's elitist to stand up for those ideals was never going to be won. kcr Dec 2016 #7

Many voted for Obama, twice, not the GOP. BREMPRO Dec 2016 #22

Kudos to Van for reaching out but not everyone agrees with his assessment of "Deplorable".. JHan Dec 2016 #3

yes, they showed us how not racist they are, by voting for Trump. Brilliant! Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #11

I am reaching my Van Jones limit these days. Justice Dec 2016 #8

I have confidence that Keith Ellison will be listening to Van Jones and that will help geek tragedy Dec 2016 #9

I agree, well said BREMPRO Dec 2016 #23

Agree ...... Kathy M Dec 2016 #41

I personally find this argument very unconvincing Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #10

It became a rallying cry for a lot of his followers NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #26

the question is did it change anyone's mind? Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #29

it's doubtful it changed anybody's mind about who to support NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #30

yes, makes sense. Thanks. Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #32

I doubt this will be heard pscot Dec 2016 #12

Not here for sure. But i do believe that Van's viewpoint is shared by the majority on the left. jack_krass Dec 2016 #16

Yep, Van "gets it" jack_krass Dec 2016 #13

yes poor white folk dsc Dec 2016 #14

Those Trump supporters can watch Trump with wealthy donors now - dismantling the US Justice Dec 2016 #15

He's right, plus.. speaktruthtopower Dec 2016 #24

Good point, didn't know that. BREMPRO Dec 2016 #25

A truly inclusive party includes white people, including white men Dems to Win Dec 2016 #27

If POC are the 'Rising America,' then whites are the 'Falling America.' Dems to Win Dec 2016 #28

yeah, White men have been oppressed for so long in leadership positions ... JHan Dec 2016 #31

Just one small example of an attitude that I believe is helping Democrats lose Dems to Win Dec 2016 #33

So.... JHan Dec 2016 #34

One young white man went from Occupy Wall Street to Bernie supporter to considering Trump Dems to Win Dec 2016 #36

Yes, and I have a million more stories like that... JHan Dec 2016 #38

This is what gets you wondering about your place in the party? taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #35

I come from a long line of white working class Americans Dems to Win Dec 2016 #37

exactly. that's the point. the well intentioned diversity message BREMPRO Dec 2016 #43

Van Jones is right! red dog 1 Dec 2016 #39

Van Jones for DNC Chair Dems to Win Dec 2016 #40

Me too! red dog 1 Dec 2016 #42

he'd be a brilliant choice! I think he could both unite the party BREMPRO Dec 2016 #44

Add me too !! Kathy M Dec 2016 #47

Agree .... Kathy M Dec 2016 #46

I copied this from a Facebook post. It shows some of "their" thinking. mackdaddy Dec 2016 #45

Thanks for that red dog 1 Dec 2016 #48