2016 Postmortem

realmirage

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18. So rather than win them back we want to lose again?

Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:01 PM

Dec 2016

All we need is an economic message that speaks to those people in the rust belt. If that's too much to ask, get used to losing.

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TIME: Meet the rust belt voters who voted for Trump [View all] Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 OP

OMG.. pangaia Dec 2016 #1

The media were willing accomplices still_one Dec 2016 #2

And they still are by promoting this "Trump Democrats" bullshit. duffyduff Dec 2016 #45

You are absolutely right still_one Dec 2016 #49

Well, minorities and immigrants clearly aren't everyday Americans. Trump could tell you that. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #3

Translation: Racism and xenophobia, with a lot of sexism thrown in. n/t duffyduff Dec 2016 #46

Blech. A bunch of moronic racists. Coventina Dec 2016 #4

I don't see them as racists just low information fucktards snooper2 Dec 2016 #7

well, the first one seems a little racist... Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #10

Low-information is a good description Lithos Dec 2016 #54

You're too kind. She's an out-and-out-but-unaware-that-she-is racist. brush Dec 2016 #59

Still stand behind my comment Lithos Dec 2016 #63

Your ideas are thoughtful and valid. I feel however, much unconscious racism abounds brush Dec 2016 #64

Her comments were an echo Lithos Dec 2016 #70

Good on you. What's needed is robust progressive media to combat 24/7 FOX and right wing radio. brush Dec 2016 #71

More than that Lithos Dec 2016 #72

Of course, 24/7 progressive media would encompass all of that. Has to be state of the art brush Dec 2016 #73

True Lithos Dec 2016 #74

"Everyday Americans" white people. But they don't do "identity politics." EffieBlack Dec 2016 #65

They don't get it... Lithos Dec 2016 #69

Everyone of them has that yay bootstraps no handouts mentality that is a cover for racial resentment bettyellen Dec 2016 #11

+1 iluvtennis Dec 2016 #40

All that remains is how quickly they blame the Ds for Trump's stopbush Dec 2016 #5

If these areas think for one minute that Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #6

We should have talked about raising the minimum wage.... NCTraveler Dec 2016 #8

Not one of Clinton's ads talked about any of that. And she didn't even bother KittyWampus Dec 2016 #13

HRC went to Michigan, PA, OH. Didn't go to WI. Justice Dec 2016 #14

It's like they didn't watch one second of the campaign. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #16

That's what I've concluded. I read a lot of nutty stuff at DU during the primary, but... Garrett78 Dec 2016 #47

If she had gone to Wisconsin, these people would have voted for her? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #66

Both of your claims are outright dishonest. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #15

Those are both great ads. Where were they run? Glassunion Dec 2016 #22

I never saw them in IA/NE either. progressoid Dec 2016 #23

Poster said Clinton didn't have them. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #33

I hear ya. Glassunion Dec 2016 #37

they were expecting big city turnout at 2012 levels pstokely Dec 2016 #44

That was a mistake Glassunion Dec 2016 #57

They can drop dead MFM008 Dec 2016 #9

I hope they do a follow-up with them a year from now. Vinca Dec 2016 #12

Minorities and immigrants don't "count" as Americans. yardwork Dec 2016 #17

So rather than win them back we want to lose again? realmirage Dec 2016 #18

well, as many have said here, we HAD an economic message. These people just didn't hear it. Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #26

No - we pull in other voters. These people are a lost cause and a waste of time EffieBlack Dec 2016 #67

I read this hoping for some thoughtful reason and all I got was Justice Dec 2016 #19

It's the same with unemployment or abortion and other issues NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #30

And yet there are those who declare, emphatically, that race didn't play a role. "Identity politics" Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #20

Did you look at all nine? progressoid Dec 2016 #24

yes, I saw that, and I felt bad for them. I wonder where they get their news from. Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #27

Yes, the token minority people who help promote the lie of "Trump Democrats." duffyduff Dec 2016 #42

Token? progressoid Dec 2016 #50

Yep, just dismiss their concerns because the are part of the deplorables hueymahl Dec 2016 #21

They are willfully stupid. You can't fix these people. duffyduff Dec 2016 #43

Blame it on racism but most of them say it was the economy and jobs that swayed their vote. progressoid Dec 2016 #25

yes, but Hillary had an economic message. Why do you think Trump's was more effective for them? Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #28

Lots of reasons. progressoid Dec 2016 #32

Do you even think they are honest at all? duffyduff Dec 2016 #41

Of course they said that. You think their going to say we liked Trump's . . . brush Dec 2016 #62

Of course they say that - while making racist comments and revealing their white supremacy EffieBlack Dec 2016 #68

They come across as mostly impressionable BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #29

We don't need them, period. duffyduff Dec 2016 #39

I agree with you. LisaM Dec 2016 #51

it didn't bother her that he was a racist, misogonist, xenophobe. if DesertFlower Dec 2016 #31

Fuck 'em. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #34

I love how the union worker and the immigramt's grandduaghter DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #35

If you aren't white.. coco22 Dec 2016 #36

More b.s. trying to foster the fake trend of "Trump Democrats." duffyduff Dec 2016 #38

Speaks volumes doesn't it? Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #48

My biggest fear came true. I use to live in the rust belt (Pa.) and I know how upset napi21 Dec 2016 #52

Twit JDC Dec 2016 #53

fair enough AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #55

I can kind of see why some rust belt Democrats appealed to Trump's message Seasider Dec 2016 #56

and this is suppose to convince us many of these fucks who voted trump aren't misogynist racists? boston bean Dec 2016 #58

The Rust Belt and the gold-buckled, diamond-studded belt DFW Dec 2016 #60

Well alrighty, then Chitown Kev Dec 2016 #61