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115. she was so disliked because liberals ignore 25 years of talk radio
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:52 PM
Dec 2016

and if they didn't like that hillary wasn't progressive enough they only have themselves to blame for letting 1200 think tank scripted radio stations blast the country 20 points to the right the last 30 years

if dems continue to ignore rw radio and think hillary 'lost' because she was too corrupt or not progressive enough so america went with the global warming denying orange asshole, we'll still have trump in 8 years.

and to those who ignore talk radio while it kicks internet ass - wake up. limbaugh just signaled trump will end net neutrality because "IT GIVES GOVT TOO MUCH CONTROL OF THE INTERNET"!!!!!! and it will get cheaper.

so liberals and dems let a few hundred think tank-scripted blowhards on a 1000 coordinated radio stations call their sisters whores their brothers thieves and their reps traitors all day while hammering away on their tenth made-by-slave-labor computing device in 2 years about how their reps lost track of some of their unicorns.

we have this orange asshole in the white house because hillary and bill wanted more than civil servant money hanging out with SS the rest of their lives because a pack of dittoheads think they're running child sex slaves and tried to make some money talking to billionaires?

the left's ignorance of rw radio is the only reason the orange asshole was even close. all the other reasons pale.

if people didn't vote because of hillary's private email server and now feel guilty about it at least do something useful to keep this guy out of the white house, and if that doesn't work out at least do something useful about getting the house and senate in 2 years. like maybe complain about how your university is renting its football mascot to the local limbaugh station so it can attract advertisers to pay for them to defund public education so they can privatize it and raise tuition?

send this to you rw radio supporting university:

xxxxxx

Your school is on a list of 88 universities at republiconradio.org that broadcast sports on 257 of Rush Limbaugh’s 600 radio stations. They could also be called Trump radio stations.

Your university is not only mocking it’s own mission statement, it is undermining the interests of most of its students, faculty, employees, and surrounding communities.

That makes your own school a legitimate place to protest any issue related to the Trump agenda.

Many of those relationships began prior to the 90’s, before they all began broadcasting propaganda for one party. There is no reason for those schools not to start looking for apolitical alternatives immediately.

The school administration will claim that it does not make business decisions based on politics.This is a question all those schools need to ask: If a radio station went to KKK programming would the university still let its mascot be used to sell a KKK agenda?

Those stations weigh in on elections for university regents and selection of administration including presidents and chancellors - is there a conflict of interest?

All of those stations will continue to deny global warming, deny reproductive rights to women, excuse racism and homophobia, and promote and excuse the Trump agenda. Republicans want to privatize public education, social security, and the post office. Their policies will raise college tuition. They want to reverse gains in health care reform. They want to end net neutrality. Those stations will be cheerleaders for the next war, as they were for the last one.

The station pays a licensing company a fee and the school gets a part of that. The station then gets to use the school logos, mascot, and community standing to attract advertising revenue. It gets to declare things like “850 KOA, home of the Buffs,and Rush Limbaugh!” Compared with TV licensing revenue talk radio stations pay very little.

Advertising revenue is used to fund station operating costs and pay for the national and local talk show hosts that broadcast from them most of the day.

Except for occasional innocuous programming all of those stations operate exclusively for the benefit of the Republican Party. They are coordinated with national and state GOP and their allied think tanks

If Trump would pay $1000/hr for a radio ad, 1200 nationwide stations x 15hrs/day x 5 days/week are worth about $5BIL/yr FREE for Trump. 255 x $75,000 = $19,125,000/WEEK FREE for Trump, or about $1BIL/yr endorsed by institutions of higher learning.

Those stations, licensed to operate in the public interest, are heavily dependent on the schools they parasitize and they all:
- deny global warming and science
- use public airwaves to sell voter suppression legislation
- use and excuse racism, misogyny, homophobia, and hate to divide communities
- work to deny reproductive rights for women and access to contraception
- fight environmental regulation, push fracking, and always support fossil fuel solutions over renewables
- fight to defund and privatize public education, attack teachers and work to lower their salaries, attack their unions, push voucher solutions and standardized testing, and obstruct efforts to lower student debt
- fight efforts to increase minimum wage
- undermine the economic and environmental interests of their communities
- use public airways to repeat propaganda that is demonstrably false and continue to lie after being corrected
- use public airwaves but use call screeners to exclude dissenting callers

How much revenue does the licensing company pay for radio broadcasting portion compared to the TV portion? Could donors make up the difference if there is a monetary loss? If there is a loss, how does it compare with the harm it is doing to its own principles, funding, students, and surrounding communities?

Are they violating their 501c3 tax exempt status? Here’s the IRS rule for political activity:
“Political activity. -  If any of the activities (whether or not substantial) of your organization consist of participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office, your organization will not qualify for tax-exempt status under section 501(c)(3). Such participation or intervention includes the publishing or distributing of statements.”

No university has a good excuse not to reexamine it’s relationship with partisan radio stations and look for apolitical alternatives. If an existing contract cannot be voided without penalty, can donors be found to cover it?

Any university, state or private, supporting Republican talk radio is shooting itself in the foot, demeaning its mission statement and professed goals and values, and harming its students’ futures.

Here is that list of universities ($1000 x 15hrs/day x 5days = $75,000/week):

ALABAMA 8 $600,000 Auburn 3, Alabama 2, Southern Alabama 2, Troy 1
ARIZONA 1 $75,000 Arizona St. 1
ARKANSAS 3 $225,000 Arkansas 3
CALIFORNIA 5 $375,000 San Jose State 2, USC 2, Fresno St. 1
COLORADO 4 $300,000 Air Force 2, Colorado 1, Colorado State 1
CONNECTICUT 1  $75,000 Connecticut 1
FLORIDA 20 $1,500,000 Florida 10, Florida St. 4 Miami 2, South Florida 2, Central Florida 2
GEORGIA 14 $1,050,000 Georgia 7, Georgia Tech 5, Georgia Southern 2
IDAHO 7 $525,000 Boise St. 4, Idaho 3
ILLINOIS 7 $525,000 Illinois 7
INDIANA 11 $825,000 Notre Dame 6, Purdue 4, Indiana 1
IOWA 5 $375,000 Iowa 4, Iowa St. 1
KANSAS 4 $300,000 Kansas St. 2, Kansas 1, Wichita St. 1
KENTUCKY 3 $225,000 Louisville 2, Kentucky 1
LOUSIANA 3 $225,000 LSU 2, La.-Monroe 1
MARYLAND 2 $150,000 Maryland 2
MASSACHUSETTS 1 $75,000 Boston College 1
MICHIGAN 19 $1,425,000 Michigan St. 11, Michigan 7, Western Michigan 1
MINNESOTA 4 $300,000 Minnesota 4
MISSISSIPPI 6 Mississippi St. 3, Mississippi 2, Southern Miss 1
MISSOURI 6 $450,000 Missouri 6
NEBRASKA 6 $450,000 Nebraska 6
NEVADA 1 $75,000 Nevada 1
NEW JERSEY 2 $150,000 Rutgers 1, Seton Hall 1
NEW MEXICO 3 $225,000 New Mexico 2, New Mexico St. 1
NEW YORK 7 $525,000 Syracuse 6, Army 1
NORTH CAROLINA 16 $1,200,000 North Carolina 8, North Carolina State 3, Duke 3, East Carolina 2
OHIO 10 $750,000 Ohio St. 6, Toledo 1, Dayton 1, Bowling Green 1, Xavier 1
OKLAHOMA 5 $375,000 Oklahoma St. 3, Oklahoma 1, Oral Roberts 1
OREGON 12 $900,000 Oregon St. 7, Oregon 5
PENNSYLVANIA 14 $1,050,000 Penn St. 11, Pittsburgh 2, Temple 1
SOUTH CAROLINA 4 $300,000 South Carolina 2, Clemson 2
TENNESSEE 7 $525,000 Tennessee 4, Memphis 3
TEXAS 16 $1,200,000 Texas A&M 9, Texas Tech 4, Texas 1, Texas Christian 1, Baylor 1
UTAH 1 $75,000 Utah St. 1
VIRGINIA 6 $450,000 Virginia Tech 5, Virginia 1
WASHINGTON 6 $450,000 Washington 5, Washington St. 1
WEST VIRGINIA 2 $150,000 West Virginia 1, Marshall 1
WISCONSIN 5 $225,000 Wisconsin 5

There is no excuse for any school to support Trump radio.

putting republicans in high level govt positions so they would finally love us? nt msongs Dec 2016 #1
What? mcar Dec 2016 #13
Obama knew Comey was a Republican when he nominated him for FBI. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #136
I'm 74 and if I live to be a hundred I will always think this election reeks of rotten eggs. shraby Dec 2016 #2
I agree shraby. The whole result was so unbelievable boston bean Dec 2016 #10
I agree with that, too. murielm99 Dec 2016 #55
The Democratic leadership in Washington could do something about these election INdemo Dec 2016 #19
When Fox News has to convince Karl Rove Obama won, you know he thought the fix was in yurbud Dec 2016 #127
I agree with this. Justice Dec 2016 #152
Where Is the DNC? Mickey1Seven Dec 2016 #202
I will never believe this was a legitimate election. Bettie Dec 2016 #114
There was that forwardness attitude of confidence with Trump INdemo Dec 2016 #153
k and r, with deepest thanks. niyad Dec 2016 #3
When we quit hand counting paper ballots at every precinct. Coyotl Dec 2016 #4
+1, especially after all the voter suppression measures they GOP has taken they've lost the benefit uponit7771 Dec 2016 #8
the central failing of our party. mopinko Dec 2016 #21
Your points are valid, TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #5
He was even more disliked... The M$M spent 3 times discussing her emails than policy uponit7771 Dec 2016 #12
What are we meant to learn? NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #20
We did it in 2008. Indydem Dec 2016 #24
If you think Obama won ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #27
Really? Indydem Dec 2016 #31
Those who "opted out" of the election ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #36
+1000 NastyRiffraff Dec 2016 #113
You are right. The opt-outs will get an ass-beating. Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #132
So you must agree then that "opted outs"... Beartracks Dec 2016 #135
92% of African Americans voted for Hillary. What other group even came close to that? brush Dec 2016 #56
agreed. JHan Dec 2016 #59
Percentage is irrelevant. Indydem Dec 2016 #66
Duh! And keep telling your self despite facts pointed out to you about voter suppression . . . brush Dec 2016 #78
Yes, its DU... the place were all post mortem conversations start by leaving out Comey, Voter ... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #86
The data from those exit polls is very outdated uponit7771 Dec 2016 #85
Care to share more recent data? Indydem Dec 2016 #123
Sad but true facts indydem, The age group of 18-25 were a BIG reason also.......... Old Vet Dec 2016 #134
The exit polls got a lot wrong, especially the Latino vote. StevieM Dec 2016 #198
Not much higher, in 2012 Obama got 93% IIRC... She did good with blacks in 2016 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #84
But overall, less of them actually voted than in 2008 and 2012. Exilednight Dec 2016 #179
Oh please. 92% of any population segment's vote is huge. No other group comes close brush Dec 2016 #189
Please don't assume what I am thinking. Exilednight Dec 2016 #193
Yet you mentioned AAs and not the huge number of whites who voted for Trump brush Dec 2016 #194
You're the one who mentioned AAs, I just filled in key facts that you left out. Exilednight Dec 2016 #208
What does this quote of yours mean then? brush Dec 2016 #210
that quote is a fact, a key fact to be exact. One you left out. Exilednight Dec 2016 #211
Are you confused? You said you didn't mention AAs. brush Dec 2016 #212
No, I am not confused. YOU mentioned AAs, and I provided key facts that you left out. Exilednight Dec 2016 #213
Whatever you say, dude. brush Dec 2016 #215
Is my statement about less African-Americans voted this year compared to 2008 and 2012 untrue? Exilednight Dec 2016 #216
The beat predictor of who is going to win the presidential race is Exilednight Dec 2016 #209
That argument has never made any sense. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #28
Then where did those almost 3 million other votes come from? Hekate Dec 2016 #38
Hillary knew how the Electoral College worked dragonfly301 Dec 2016 #117
She is also loved ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #96
I tried that in another thread mcar Dec 2016 #101
Thank you for reinforcing my point. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #112
she was so disliked because liberals ignore 25 years of talk radio certainot Dec 2016 #115
Learn what? Not to nominate a strong, experienced, brilliant woman pnwmom Dec 2016 #214
Immigration and terrorism. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #6
+1, Comey, Voter suppression, Russia... any discussion without acknowledging these factors is usless uponit7771 Dec 2016 #7
+1 and hinky voting machines and "undervoting" flamingdem Dec 2016 #11
and the undervote coming from their illegal purging, the DNC wants to win they should fix this shit uponit7771 Dec 2016 #87
K&R brer cat Dec 2016 #9
Clinton was too much of a female for the He Man Woman Haters Club. baldguy Dec 2016 #14
This!!! DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #168
And the media, the right and some on the left mcar Dec 2016 #15
We let stupid people vote milestogo Dec 2016 #16
But Hillary WON the election by over 2.5 MILLION VOTES.... People forget that fact groundloop Dec 2016 #17
By almost 2.7 million votes, a 2% lead over Trump. This compares pnwmom Dec 2016 #23
It. Doesn't. Matter. Indydem Dec 2016 #25
So we should only concern ourselves ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #80
How about.... Indydem Dec 2016 #122
Until the EC is eliminated by Constitutional Amendmt, we should play to win by the EC rules, definitely. That was the strategy Bernie advocated for winning, which, unfortunately, never got implemented InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #151
You're right. Kentonio Dec 2016 #155
It has nothing to do with ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #169
That's exactly what the rules of the game are. Kentonio Dec 2016 #172
All states matter in the EC - some not very much. CA a great deal. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #166
Shall we pander to their bigotry? ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #97
Is that all you have? Indydem Dec 2016 #121
Gun control...eom Kang Colby Dec 2016 #18
Um, no. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #26
Um, yes. Kang Colby Dec 2016 #146
When Trump said that wages are too high, I was expecting TV ads Eric J in MN Dec 2016 #22
Despite the crassness... Indydem Dec 2016 #29
Which was why he did it. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #30
So we "lost" due to TV ads? NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #32
Well, it says that the voting populace is a tad gullible, but we knew that. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #35
"malleable" is putting it nicely. some people DesertFlower Dec 2016 #50
Famous for being famous as the saying goes. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #53
Yes. Trump TV ads had more economics. Eric J in MN Dec 2016 #105
Nance, you're a smart cookie, you know how shallow and superficial our electorate has become. dionysus Dec 2016 #218
I did not see a single ad showing that Trump called Rosie O'Donnell a "fat pig".... George II Dec 2016 #39
Where are you? In Florida they played that ad all the time. whopis01 Dec 2016 #54
I was thinking of the 'Mirrors' ad. I got the quote used in the ad wrong. Eric J in MN Dec 2016 #100
Righteous rant NG - righteous NoMoreRepugs Dec 2016 #33
We overestimated people Nwgirl503 Dec 2016 #34
I agree, so how do we go about not allowing all that to happen again? Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #93
I honestly have no answer Nwgirl503 Dec 2016 #140
Where did we go wrong? We allowed amateurs and hackers to oversee our election. George II Dec 2016 #37
Amen again, Preacher Nance. Amen. Hekate Dec 2016 #40
Trump voters were so driven by racism .. ananda Dec 2016 #41
Another long, boring recitation of points that ignore the reality people didn't like her KittyWampus Dec 2016 #42
The "reality" is that ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #45
More than half of the voters would disagree with you. leftofcool Dec 2016 #52
who knows what the idiots on JPR are saying. I spent the primary getting posts hidden KittyWampus Dec 2016 #60
Mea culpa.... TwilightZone Dec 2016 #64
You read it wrong. I DEFENDED CLINTON. Because she was the nominee. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #109
I did, yes. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #111
Most Americans did... I don't know why this is left out of the "people didn't like her" meme?! uponit7771 Dec 2016 #88
I spent the primary defending her and I didn't like her and didn't want her. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #110
The party went wrong by making itself seem too disconnected from those things hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #43
The MAJORITY of voters ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #47
But the party got decimated. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #58
You appear to equate voting for her Kentonio Dec 2016 #156
A proper analysis of "why we lost" should include: JHan Dec 2016 #67
Blaming external problems is just asserting weakness. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #89
Polite and gentle? JHan Dec 2016 #90
Here you go, I fixed it for you hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #91
You keep focusing on Clinton when.. JHan Dec 2016 #92
Crying about Bernie is a red herring hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #144
"Debunked repeatedly"?? JHan Dec 2016 #145
+1000! DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #170
What is wrong is The Wizard Dec 2016 #44
In retrospect, I wish George Takei had been our candidate - he'd have won the Twitter campaign Dems to Win Dec 2016 #46
Tell me again how the candidate that promoted that message was the wrong candidate. Martin Eden Dec 2016 #48
And exactly where ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #61
The entire thrust of your OP is there was nothing wrong with our candidate or message Martin Eden Dec 2016 #108
What narrative has less merit than the one you are positing? Flatpicker Dec 2016 #49
I am well aware that we lost ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #65
She clearly had the wrong message to win the EC Kentonio Dec 2016 #157
Lets talk on GOP terms then; world wide wally Dec 2016 #51
3.7 times Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #104
They were successful in their campaign of character assassination... kentuck Dec 2016 #57
Speaks more Flatpicker Dec 2016 #62
They turned John Kerry, a war hero, into a coward. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #69
Back before Flatpicker Dec 2016 #70
Actually, they ran exactly that kind of campaign against Obama. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #76
Absolutely right ! kentuck Dec 2016 #72
Except they wouldn't have ripped him to shreds Kentonio Dec 2016 #158
I could not agree more... samplegirl Dec 2016 #138
There where multiple reasons. lancelyons Dec 2016 #63
are you fucking serious??? DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #171
I understand that lancelyons Dec 2016 #217
The GOP is much better at ratfucking. It's all they have, really, but they are masters at it. deurbano Dec 2016 #68
for me she was ideal because: JHan Dec 2016 #71
Where did we go wrong? quakerboy Dec 2016 #73
Still trolling Bernie supporters? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #74
And a kick from your daughter brer cat Dec 2016 #75
I think this is one of the steps in grieving. Post mortems are good cleansing exercises. Zen Democrat Dec 2016 #77
I don't believe we had the wrong candidate or the wrong message but... prairierose Dec 2016 #79
By running. And that is not a knock against Clinton or her capacity to be Commander-in-Chief. In JCanete Dec 2016 #81
Well, you'll never catch me ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #82
I never for an instant thought she could win. Dems to Win Dec 2016 #99
Hillary's supporters need to examine... TeeYiYi Dec 2016 #83
that goes both ways ... JHan Dec 2016 #102
Hillary didn't undermine Obama radical noodle Dec 2016 #107
A lack of trust in HRC fulfilling the message was a factor. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #94
Lots of white dudes didn't trust her, because she isn't a dude. nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #95
Great post Nance Gothmog Dec 2016 #98
Glad you asked Perseus Dec 2016 #103
In all fairness, she should have known... robbedvoter Dec 2016 #106
woohoo! Am rec'd # 70!! Thank you Nance. Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #116
We failed to realize the power of racist/misogynist people in large groups Bettie Dec 2016 #118
To actually answer the question gator108 Dec 2016 #119
Ill tell you rtracey Dec 2016 #120
She was not trusted or liked by too many people. PassingFair Dec 2016 #124
She was trusted and liked enough to surpass Obama's 2012 total. PeaceNikki Dec 2016 #128
Only because she was running against an actual monster. PassingFair Dec 2016 #131
So we let the RW and their media define our nominees without a fight? mcar Dec 2016 #141
Or we pick a nominee with broader appeal. PassingFair Dec 2016 #147
She was the wrong candidate shawn703 Dec 2016 #125
The attacks on Hillary Clinton were baseless Gothmog Dec 2016 #126
Average conservative voters didn't like her. ihaveaquestion Dec 2016 #129
They believed lies mcar Dec 2016 #142
Preaching to the choir. (n/t) Iggo Dec 2016 #130
how about "Hillary's campaign blew it in the rust belt"? 0rganism Dec 2016 #133
This video is disgusting. He repeats the GOP lies and calls Hillary corrupt. StevieM Dec 2016 #192
on the one hand, i think you raise a valid criticism 0rganism Dec 2016 #195
Thank you for your thoughtful post. I am now sorry that I alerted on your previous post. StevieM Dec 2016 #196
likewise, thank you for yours 0rganism Dec 2016 #197
Keen insights BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #137
Great person- perhaps the most qualified ever to run Ghost OF Trotsky Dec 2016 #139
It is fairly easy quaker bill Dec 2016 #143
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #148
Also, to give the devil his due Ghost OF Trotsky Dec 2016 #149
Here's another article I found fascinating about Trump's methods Dems to Win Dec 2016 #154
Exactly Ghost OF Trotsky Dec 2016 #160
Hillary Clinton was the wrong candidate for 2016. Had it been 2008 she would have won. jalan48 Dec 2016 #150
Not a single campaign stop in Wisconsin after the primaries... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #159
Uh, no. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #161
You're projecting.. Yurovsky Dec 2016 #163
Accessing the readily available information ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #164
K&R Jamaal510 Dec 2016 #162
While were busy partisaning, the the billionaires bought our democracy. Orsino Dec 2016 #165
K&R! DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #167
Where you went wrong is how you conveniently blamed our loss entirely on the electoral college mtnsnake Dec 2016 #173
No, actually I didn't. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #174
So you were just kidding in your next to last paragraph then mtnsnake Dec 2016 #175
That paragraph ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #177
By virtue of your own words mtnsnake Dec 2016 #180
Of course I am saying ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #181
Suggesting? mtnsnake Dec 2016 #182
We did enough things right ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #184
But DID we do enough things right? mtnsnake Dec 2016 #185
That's why I asked, mtnsake. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #186
I already told you what I think we need to do mtnsnake Dec 2016 #187
IOW, you have no answer ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #188
My answers are there. I've had enough of your string cheese rhetoric for 1 night mtnsnake Dec 2016 #190
Your answers amount to ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #191
All of what you wrote, is why the Russian hacking makes so much sense. dubyadiprecession Dec 2016 #176
2 things come to mind vi5 Dec 2016 #178
Normally post mortem is easier jzodda Dec 2016 #183
Your points are indeed valid, but there's an easy way to detect if we did something wrong derby378 Dec 2016 #199
If the popular vote determined the next president of the United States, I'd be on board with you. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2016 #200
Can't help but wonder ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #204
I doubt it. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2016 #207
It doesn't render the "wrong candidate" narrative invalid ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #201
Well, I'm sure that as far as ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #203
I supported her ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #205
K & R n/y GP6971 Dec 2016 #206
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