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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
48. Because that's the only explanation for all the threads on how economic issues played no role
Wed Dec 7, 2016, 08:05 PM
Dec 2016

in how the Electoral College results turned out. And it's beginning to get a little bit suspicious that there is so much the resistance to any increased emphasis on economic justice as part of our message(coupled with the assumption a lot of people here seem to have that any greater emphasis on economic justice can ONLY mean a dilution or abandonment of the social justice/anti-oppression agenda.

For myself, the only thing I would like us to spend less time on is the emphasis on running AGAINST the other party, rather than running FOR what we stand for. "Stop the Monsters&quot even when running against an actual monster as we did this time)isn't working for us as a pitch. Voters need to be reminded why our "offer" is better...not just that the other side is a chamber of horrors.

What's the Democratic message I would advocate for 2020?

I'd have us talk MORE about the need to fight social oppression, because it is simply something we need to combat in the name of being a decent nation(and more about peace and finding non-confrontational ways to solve international disputes, since it appears that we lost a lot of votes because people thought Trump-and I don't understand why anyone would believe this-was less likely to get us into additional wars than Hillary). I'd have us talk more about standing up for ordinary people against corporate power, the ways in which corporate power and "market values" use bigotry to keep us from standing up to them and finding the ways to work together for a better life.

Could you trust that message, as I briefly described it there, NOT to leave anyone in the Democratic coalition out in the cold or cause them to be thrown under the bus?





Well said. nt el_bryanto Dec 2016 #1
much of Trump's nastiest treatment, was directed toward the other republicans NRQ891 Dec 2016 #2
The anti-establishment angle is overblown. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #5
the re-election of GOP incumbant, was motivated by 'Hillary-Containment' strategy NRQ891 Dec 2016 #7
Oh, please. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #9
May or may not be 'deeply rightwing,' elleng Dec 2016 #3
Or one could just look at exit polls. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #4
But part of the immigration issue is economic. potone Dec 2016 #11
Nah, I don't think it's that complicated. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #15
Thank you Cosmocat Dec 2016 #29
lol JI7 Dec 2016 #6
I'll give you this. yallerdawg Dec 2016 #8
Not Stein's message(she didn't start any of that) and I never supported her. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #14
Not true and insulting to boot. boston bean Dec 2016 #10
To whom? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #17
The lie itself is an insult. Stats refute your OP..... embarrased to read this BS here. bettyellen Dec 2016 #20
I didn't tell any lies. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #22
Hahahahahahaha Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #12
Those specific people should be condemned. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #13
It was a large group of people. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #16
Yep. Someone suggested POC would better able to afford the lawyers they needed... bettyellen Dec 2016 #19
People who would say those things are idiots and I join you in denouncing them. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #23
I accept that social oppression is the major part of your economic oppression Ken Burch Dec 2016 #24
How many times do we have to educate you on this? forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #26
I don't even know why I post in his threads. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #36
And if I had ever argued that we need to put the fight against bigotry to the side, you'd be right Ken Burch Dec 2016 #41
So why are you accusing people of putting economic concerns to the side? forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #42
Because that's the only explanation for all the threads on how economic issues played no role Ken Burch Dec 2016 #48
Economic injustice can't be defeated without defeating social injustice gollygee Dec 2016 #37
I agree with you on that. Always have. Pretty sure the vast majority of the left actually does. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #40
... LexVegas Dec 2016 #39
No it is rooted in reality dsc Dec 2016 #18
Yep Cosmocat Dec 2016 #30
Wow. Much words. betsuni Dec 2016 #21
I didn't say any person was right wing. I said an argument was right wing. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #25
Spreading the falsehood that Hillary prioritized social justice over economics is right-wing. DanTex Dec 2016 #27
Yup La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #44
"The minimum wage is too high" - Donald Trump ProfessorPlum Dec 2016 #28
There is ample proof that those who voted for Trump did not care about the economy. Those Squinch Dec 2016 #31
Who needs the GOP when Democrats and Liberals sabotage their own platform with GOP talking points.. JHan Dec 2016 #32
To my mind, those who spew GOP talking points are not Democrats or Liberals. So there's that. Squinch Dec 2016 #33
I don't get it, this is self-sabotage that only weakens us... JHan Dec 2016 #35
Bingo on all counts. And it isn't unintentional. Squinch Dec 2016 #38
People making that argument still haven't looked at Hillary's policy pages BainsBane Dec 2016 #46
It was a good platform...but in the ads I saw, we didn't talk about it enough. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #50
I think the 'it ISN'T about racism and sexism" argument is, ultimately, a deeply right wing position ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #34
Yup La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #43
Racism and sexism played a role...I never said they played NO role.... Ken Burch Dec 2016 #49
How is the fact that Clinton won voters making under $50k a year BainsBane Dec 2016 #45
That fact, plus exit polls show that those who La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #47
In my life social justice has always been the overriding issue and always will be. hrmjustin Dec 2016 #51
In my life economic issues has always been the overriding issue. azmom Dec 2016 #52
That would be a great argument.... Adrahil Dec 2016 #53
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