2016 Postmortem

forjusticethunders

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145. the fuck

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 03:40 PM

Dec 2016

Actually I think it's just kind of generic "anti-establishment". Jesse Jackson ran a truly intersectional campaign that year. He actually appealed to a lot of working class whites because he had an ability to connect POC struggles with rural white struggles. Buchanan and Perot kind of fit that pattern too.

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My dad. Immigrant, Minority, Veteran, Trump Voter [View all] Lee-Lee Dec 2016 OP

So? Sorry but Hillary did have a message for 65 Million Voters Cha Dec 2016 #1

Elitism is killing the Democratic Party NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #30

That's a rw buzzword.. please stop. Cha Dec 2016 #117

No, elitism was hosting multiple high-dollar events while ignoring voters. appal_jack Dec 2016 #130

Hillary got 65 Million Votes and beat drumpf by over 2.5 Million.. Cha Dec 2016 #131

She did cha, but we should be talking about the historic landslide victory, dionysus Dec 2016 #136

Deleted MelissaB Dec 2016 #138

Reported for summarizing what Van Jones said in the video I linked? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #140

Evidently it is... MelissaB Dec 2016 #144

neither am i. i keep hearing all DesertFlower Dec 2016 #77

Yeah, I don't really give a shite who voted for Cha Dec 2016 #119

Great response... you managed to alienate both father and child there. sfwriter Dec 2016 #93

So, if someone posts a message like this, the only appropriate response is to cuddle and coddle? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #106

You're ASSUMING an awful lot about other people without knowing them NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #110

I don't have to personally know them to know they have aligned with racists EffieBlack Dec 2016 #118

With you on this 100%. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #133

If you vote for the open... tonedevil Dec 2016 #153

Well said, Effie.. thank you. Cha Dec 2016 #121

I spoke the facts.. so sorry you can't handle the truth about trump. Cha Dec 2016 #120

How . . . . Quaint. ReverendHeretic Dec 2016 #100

What's your problem? you have a problem with how I described Cha Dec 2016 #116

My brother voted for Jesse Jackson, Clinton, Buchanan, Obama and Trump hollowdweller Dec 2016 #2

My, he certainly swings both ways. catbyte Dec 2016 #9

the fuck forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #145

I feel the key words here are "at least not one that connnected". guillaumeb Dec 2016 #3

exactly. they covered him 24/7 and gave DesertFlower Dec 2016 #78

And should this be surprising? guillaumeb Dec 2016 #139

Thank you for helping me understand what happened, Lee-Lee. democrank Dec 2016 #4

What do you think Trump is actually going to do for these blue collar democrats? LisaL Dec 2016 #6

Just about nothing democrank Dec 2016 #16

That's the winning strategy we need. Most people here want realmirage Dec 2016 #20

Most people here want to alienate MORE voters and lose worse next time Dems to Win Dec 2016 #43

No - we want to reach out to more voters who those supposedly "aliented" voters don't EffieBlack Dec 2016 #46

It's hard to believe realmirage Dec 2016 #98

Let's get it straight. Nearly 3 million more voted Dem. It's not about wanting to keep losing . . . brush Dec 2016 #127

I found these articles very helpful in understanding how people could vote for Trump Dems to Win Dec 2016 #42

It's nice that you feel better about living amongst them. I don't. EffieBlack Dec 2016 #45

Neither do I. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2016 #102

"Did they suddenly become racists in the last four years?" radius777 Dec 2016 #61

And why the assumption that voters switched from Obama to Trump? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #63

well there are some exit polls and other stats radius777 Dec 2016 #68

Just to be clear, I do believe racists voted for Trump Dems to Win Dec 2016 #70

All of Trump's voters HAD to be comfortable with racism and sexism since they voted for him EffieBlack Dec 2016 #74

I voted for Hillary though I wasn't comfortable as a feminist with Bill returning to the White House Dems to Win Dec 2016 #86

Just to be clear... atreides1 Dec 2016 #80

if they voted trump they ARE ok with racism on a pretty high level JI7 Dec 2016 #96

Van Jones went to the Rust Belt and talked with Obama / Trump voters Dems to Win Dec 2016 #71

"some" being the operative word - likely a very small number of people EffieBlack Dec 2016 #73

Yes, America is polarized in 2016. It's frightening Dems to Win Dec 2016 #69

"Nobody cared about them" because equal attention to everyone was just too fair? bettyellen Dec 2016 #19

"When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression" EffieBlack Dec 2016 #24

With all due respect, I have no interest in "connecting" with people like your father EffieBlack Dec 2016 #5

THIS catbyte Dec 2016 #11

Elitism is bigotry, and just as offensive and hateful as racism NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #31

Oh, bullshit. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #36

If opposing racism, Trump and his supporters is bigotry, I admit it -- I are a big ole BIGOT. Hoyt Dec 2016 #37

No, it's not EffieBlack Dec 2016 #39

Most Democrats are working/middle class voters. radius777 Dec 2016 #62

Rejecting racism is not elitism. Racism is bad. Trump is racist. A vote for Trump is a racist act Squinch Dec 2016 #89

No it is not. Nt gollygee Dec 2016 #91

so now being anti bigotry is elitism ? JI7 Dec 2016 #114

Trump is the poster boy for "elitism" True_Blue Dec 2016 #123

Oh FFS... SidDithers Dec 2016 #128

Being informed and understanding how govt works it NOT ELITISM nini Dec 2016 #157

well said. nt DesertFlower Dec 2016 #79

+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Dec 2016 #103

Your story illustrates that pandering to profound ignorance really works, thank you for sharing etherealtruth Dec 2016 #7

Yes, of course, pandering works. LisaL Dec 2016 #8

Oh, I am well aware ... he simply was exceptioannly effective (aided by the media) etherealtruth Dec 2016 #13

He spend all his life preparing for this. LisaL Dec 2016 #14

He honed the skills necessary to be a huckster and grifter etherealtruth Dec 2016 #15

Democrats asked them to vote for a nominee who helped destroy their old way of life Dems to Win Dec 2016 #55

I am afraid your father will have to wait a long time for manufacturing to still be viable here. LisaL Dec 2016 #10

Your dad is a patriot. pintobean Dec 2016 #12

Agreed. The hateful remarks here are just sad realmirage Dec 2016 #22

That may be true, but it doesn't make a vote for Trump any less inexplicable. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #23

Agree EffieBlack Dec 2016 #27

He doesn't need an excuse pintobean Dec 2016 #38

Nope, it's two different things. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #44

True. J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #56

Trump may appoint Petraeus... SidDithers Dec 2016 #17

Let me guess. Your dad probably paid about $30,000 for a house. R B Garr Dec 2016 #18

So, we need sound bites and slogans, not progressive, sustainable actual plans? herding cats Dec 2016 #21

You can see why our party is losing by reading the hateful replies here realmirage Dec 2016 #25

Vote for a bigot: misunderstood/needs empathy. Criticize voting for a bigot: hateful EffieBlack Dec 2016 #33

I agree. phylny Dec 2016 #81

What's there to understand? TwilightZone Dec 2016 #34

"They just don't understand the concerns or thought process of people who disagree with them," pangaia Dec 2016 #47

So all people who realmirage Dec 2016 #99

Did I say scum? Did I say scum? pangaia Dec 2016 #108

Transparent... SidDithers Dec 2016 #52

But Hillary wasn't careless with classified information. LisaM Dec 2016 #26

My advise to anyone who has a government security clearance is ... spin Dec 2016 #155

You keep referring to "unauthorized home computer" - strawman EffieBlack Dec 2016 #161

Have you carefully read Comey's July 5, 2016 statement on ... spin Dec 2016 #162

Your dad is a racist! Your dad is a racist! HassleCat Dec 2016 #28

That's pretty much what people here are doing. realmirage Dec 2016 #29

No one here has done that at all. And shame on you for engaging in such bullshit EffieBlack Dec 2016 #35

Yes, I am the problem. HassleCat Dec 2016 #58

You must be kidding. The threads are EVERYWHERE realmirage Dec 2016 #97

WHO here called him that? pangaia Dec 2016 #48

Do you believe that people who voted for trump were aware of his racism, sexism, and still_one Dec 2016 #84

How can someone connect with your dad when he believes Trump and doesn't investigate things? Vinca Dec 2016 #32

On the money.. pangaia Dec 2016 #49

Nope, as a former military client told me, phylny Dec 2016 #82

Kind of a variation of "keep the government away from my Medicare." Vinca Dec 2016 #87

Plus, "I have mine, screw you." n/t phylny Dec 2016 #90

Ignorance is bliss ... GeorgeGist Dec 2016 #40

That's probably a fair criticism. ucrdem Dec 2016 #41

yeah, right. It's you know who's fault. pangaia Dec 2016 #50

Your dad seems like a somewhat reasonable man. pangaia Dec 2016 #51

Exactly EffieBlack Dec 2016 #64

Trump's populist rhetoric spoke to him, but, facts disproving Trump's rhetoric did NOT? blm Dec 2016 #53

'populist rhetoric' elleng Dec 2016 #54

I am proud MFM008 Dec 2016 #57

Maybe he just couldn't bring himself to vote for a woman Dream Girl Dec 2016 #59

Members of a sexist & authoritarian organization voted for a sexist authoritarian samir.g Dec 2016 #65

This is what your father voted for. BlueStater Dec 2016 #60

Bravo. pangaia Dec 2016 #72

Sexism plays a larger role than many would admit. radius777 Dec 2016 #66

And let's not even get into what they think of a Jewish Socialist. EffieBlack Dec 2016 #75

exactly, anti-Semitism is at it's height, radius777 Dec 2016 #76

medicare enid602 Dec 2016 #67

and was he bothered in the least about trumps racism, sexism, ir xenophobia? still_one Dec 2016 #83

Thanks for sharing your experience, Lee-Lee. mia Dec 2016 #85

Then it would follow he would be treestar Dec 2016 #88

That would be consistent and logical. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #134

Thanks for telling us about your dad Dems to Win Dec 2016 #92

looks like he goes by how he feels ay the moment. since he only voted Obama once JI7 Dec 2016 #94

he still voted for an openly racist sexist dumbass. JI7 Dec 2016 #95

So, he is okay with Petraeus in the cabinet itsrobert Dec 2016 #101

His choice Lotusflower70 Dec 2016 #104

It is utterly DISGUSTING the behavior of some of the people in this thread NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #105

No - Democrats lost those voters because they have refused to cater to other voters' worst EffieBlack Dec 2016 #107

Bullshit NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #109

There is no rational excuse for voting for an unfit MADMAN. duffyduff Dec 2016 #112

As an old white blue collar worker True_Blue Dec 2016 #132

This message was self-deleted by its author duffyduff Dec 2016 #111

What did your dad think of the treatment of the Khan family ? JI7 Dec 2016 #113

If he voted for Trump, then he's a hypocrite. baldguy Dec 2016 #115

Maybe we should start lying and make ridiculous promises True_Blue Dec 2016 #122

Seems like a sure plan to win elections. LisaL Dec 2016 #124

Thank you for sharing this ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #125

Thank you for this. We need to listen to these stories Arazi Dec 2016 #126

No, there will be no reaching "these folks" CakeGrrl Dec 2016 #141

What did your Dad think of Tramp's treatment FrenchieCat Dec 2016 #129

Voting for Trump because of concerns over carelessness or outsourcing... Orsino Dec 2016 #135

I think my son voted for Trump SickAndTiredOfRepubs Dec 2016 #137

It happens... LP2K12 Dec 2016 #142

Bullshit. nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #143

It took me a while to digest replies but I will try and address them Lee-Lee Dec 2016 #146

Thanks for that response and clarification. Tatiana Dec 2016 #147

I agree completely with Tatiana's very thoughtful post EffieBlack Dec 2016 #148

Why didn't you point out Trump's hypocrisy on US manufacturing Elwood P Dowd Dec 2016 #150

It has been my experience that they don't listen to the truth. Tatiana Dec 2016 #156

I hope your dad enjoys the fruits of his choice. MoonRiver Dec 2016 #149

My husband is an immigrant (central America), naturalized, Dem voter who went for Trump Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #151

Your husband is no doubt a decent man EffieBlack Dec 2016 #154

I would imagine that if you talked with 100 people who have held a security ... spin Dec 2016 #152

This dead horse has been beaten to death - and it's a false argument EffieBlack Dec 2016 #158

I held a government security clearance for four decades before I retired. ... spin Dec 2016 #160

Tell your Dad when he loses his Medicare and Social Security adigal Dec 2016 #159