2016 Postmortem

TwilightZone

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16. What many don't seem to understand or acknowledge is that it isn't a binary choice.

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 10:09 AM

Dec 2016

The Clinton campaign, like every campaign in history, made some significant errors and could have had a better plan. I think we all agree on that. I don't see anyone indicating that Clinton ran the perfect campaign, in part because the perfect campaign doesn't exist. And hindsight is 20/20.

That doesn't explain why Feingold lost. Or Teachout. Or any other number of Democrats running this term who were seemingly in position to make gains.

Everything you mentioned was a factor, some much more so than whatever faults some have decided were the primary (or only) factors in this race. Voter suppression (and, related, the major changes in Voter ID laws since 2013) alone were likely responsible for tens or hundreds of thousands of votes in the swing states. And, as we all know, the suppressed tend to be overwhelmingly Democratic.

Comey was no doubt a factor, perhaps the most influential one.

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Why not more discussion of Greg Palast's compelling case that GOP stole 2016 election? [View all] cloudythescribbler Dec 2016 OP

Maybe because it's 2016. lonestarnot Dec 2016 #1

huh?? triron Dec 2016 #3

Agree. Why the hell not? triron Dec 2016 #2

Because we're too busy talking about how poor a candidate Clinton was. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #4

it was pretty clear to me! triron Dec 2016 #5

And beating up on Democrats in general PatSeg Dec 2016 #13

What many don't seem to understand or acknowledge is that it isn't a binary choice. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #16

"And hindsight is 20/20" PatSeg Dec 2016 #19

+1, and plenty of post here with the "bright shiny object" text around it too uponit7771 Dec 2016 #15

Exactly! I am tired of hearing the same rw media talking points regurgitated here on DU AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #67

Don't know why? shadowmayor Dec 2016 #6

Thank you. You've saved me the trouble of pointing this out. We pleaded for Nay Dec 2016 #79

Palast lost my confidence when he falsely claimed that pnwmom Dec 2016 #7

One still shouldn't disregard Kris Kobach and the Interstate Cross Check voter purge program. think Dec 2016 #28

I don't. i agree that cross-check and every other form of voter suppression pnwmom Dec 2016 #53

Or voter apathy Retrograde Dec 2016 #69

Yes, I agree completely, I have no idea why he spread that disinfo Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #51

Great question! True_Blue Dec 2016 #8

2.6 million votes.. maybe if we all relocate from coasts to swing states.. lostnfound Dec 2016 #12

Because Palast has a tendency to over hype some stories and progressoid Dec 2016 #9

I always thought he was a jazz musician. Ellipsis Dec 2016 #47

Because Russia hasn't told our press to cover it, so they won't. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #10

my guess would be, because this is all "legal" voter suppression anarch Dec 2016 #11

how do Democrats do the same if they ever regain power? NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #30

Strict voter ID would hurt rural whites to an extent (at least below a certain income) forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #75

It might hurt some of them NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #80

Newsflash: What you describe of repug operations is cheating. I don't care if they legalized it. brush Dec 2016 #42

well, I mean, in poker is it cheating to stack a deck of cards in your favor? anarch Dec 2016 #49

We're on the same page. Repug cheating has to be stopped so the candidate with nearly 3 million . . brush Dec 2016 #50

Yes, I expect every Republican controlled state NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #81

Yes, but as long as it's legal there is nothing we can do about it unless totodeinhere Dec 2016 #74

More fricking conspiricy theories backed by not a shred of proof CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #14

Voter purges aren't a conspiracy theory TwilightZone Dec 2016 #17

BS!!! There are many people on the voting roles who have died or moved CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #22

You don't think that voter suppression is intended to disproportionately disenfranchise Democrats? TwilightZone Dec 2016 #23

Of course there is voter suppression CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #55

Guess you've never phone banked for a candidate brush Dec 2016 #45

That's because the Democratic Party carefully constructs those lists CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #54

So you agree that there not many deceased and moved voters on the rolls? brush Dec 2016 #57

No, I don't believe there are not many deceased and moved voters on the rolls CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #59

So they're on the repug party rolls since they're not on Dem rolls? brush Dec 2016 #61

deceased and moved voters on the rolls is something different than telephone numbers called putitinD Dec 2016 #77

I think this crosscheck program contributed to Hillary losing - womanofthehills Dec 2016 #56

The problem with "voter poll purge" concern is that we should have then seen a rash jonno99 Dec 2016 #27

Palast addresses this point -- cloudythescribbler Dec 2016 #84

+1, and this rarely happening in non voter suppression states or areas uponit7771 Dec 2016 #85

Thank you underpants Dec 2016 #32

A program called Interstate Cross Check & Kris Kobach are at the heart of GOP voter suppression think Dec 2016 #18

BS!!! CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #24

"Florida quits controversial voter purge program" think Dec 2016 #29

Again, show me EVIDENCE of massive voter fraud CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #34

Voter fraud? This is not about voter fraud. This is about purging voters who should be allowed to think Dec 2016 #39

You seem to make a distinction between voter fraud and election fraud CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #41

Obama says Republicans tried to 'purge' black Democrats from voter rolls in North Carolina think Dec 2016 #43

Agan, no damn proof! CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #48

"Barbara Lifton to DOJ: Audit election results nationwide" think Dec 2016 #46

I'm afraid you are clueless CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #52

Assemblywoman Barbara Lifton, D-Ithaca made the statement. Are you saying her figures are wrong? think Dec 2016 #58

Who give a rip what Assemblywoman Barbara Lifton, D-Ithaca wrote CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #60

Greg Palast actually was given the Virginia crosscheck list my mistake womanofthehills Dec 2016 #63

Then they weren't using the list correctly and then should have be prosecuted CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #64

YOU need to stop attacking this person who you know very well is trying to frame purging ancianita Dec 2016 #66

Okay, let me explain this CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #68

History shows that much inaccessible and unaccountable info is shut down as conspiracy theory. That ancianita Dec 2016 #70

History shows little evidence that past conspiricy theories are factual CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #71

You're talking all around my point.The fact that people voice any support for any evidence gathering ancianita Dec 2016 #72

That is where you are wrong friend CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #73

I hear you. Points taken. Thanks for your further explanations. I stand firm on the claim that ancianita Dec 2016 #76

Thank you for your time as well CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #82

Absolutely. ancianita Dec 2016 #83

I see what you did there, you changed the subject... good try... voter suppression is the point not uponit7771 Dec 2016 #86

Folks like splashy things. Need to bring media attention and more web interaction MaeScott Dec 2016 #20

They always steal, and not a lot changes. Orsino Dec 2016 #21

Really?!?!?! CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #25

Heh. n/t Orsino Dec 2016 #26

Let me complimant you on a very intellegent post CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #36

Oh, you were serious? Orsino Dec 2016 #38

Ah, I misunderstood your one word response CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #40

There was massive vote suppression. This is no secret. brush Dec 2016 #44

Palast was not pure enough for some and was thrown under the bus. Rex Dec 2016 #31

This is a problem. Those who won't trust Palast should at least Google "Kris Kobach" & "Cross Check" think Dec 2016 #33

Yea, and then note the supposed voter fraud .... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #35

Because it's not a compelling case mythology Dec 2016 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #62

Because we are sick and tired of conspiricy theories CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #65

The effects of voter suppression is a CT? Really? So the VRA was just a waste of time hunh? smdh uponit7771 Dec 2016 #87

The story is... Mike Nelson Dec 2016 #78