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2016 Postmortem

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BainsBane

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Mon Dec 5, 2016, 12:56 AM Dec 2016

What I have learned about the election on DU [View all]

That the millions of people upset about the results of the GE don't matter. Their grief pales in the comparison to the far more important outrage of Bernie supporters who continue to be angry about the primary, months after the fact. If any Clinton voter articulates frustration or pain, they got what they deserved. If only they had voted for Bernie and compelled others to vote for Bernie, Trump would not be the president elect.

Women who hoped to see someone like themselves rise to the highest office in the land and take the election results as emblematic of the double standards they face in their own lives, in which no amount of hard word and competence will ever make them equal to the least qualified man, simply don't matter. Sexism had nothing to do with the election. The problem was that the Democrats ran a "corporate whore" (despite the fact no one can point how how her policies were compromised or her practices departed from previous presidents of the party as whole), a congenital liar (fact checkers showing her to be the most honest candidate in either party during the entire election are rigged.) What matters is some just "feel" she is dishonest because she reminds them of a female boss, ex-wife or mother. We live in a post-fact world where feelings are all that matter.

The people terrified due to the rise of hate crimes unleashed by a presidential candidate who elevated White Supremacy to the Oval Office are overreacting. Racism had nothing to do with the election. It's all in their heads. Those swastikas are really denunciations of TPP and corporate Democrats. When men pull the hijabs off women and beat them, while hurling Muslims slurs, that has nothing to do with racism. It's instead a denunciation of Democrat economic policies. The rise in hate crimes has absolutely nothing to do with the GE because Trump didn't run as a racist and his supporters didn't vote out of racism. Comments to Jews about how they should be burned in ovens aren't really antisemitic; they are rather commentary on the international banking cabal.

If our candidate can't win despite progressives eagerly repeating talking points fed to them by the GOP, she had no business running in the first place. She is weak, and the the nomination should be open and hard hitting, as long as that hitting goes one entirely way. Any criticism of a candidate favored by a certain minority is unacceptable. So much so that he isn't responsible for his own loss by 3.8 million votes. The DNC and the media rigged the election and kept Bernie from assuming his birthright. Hillary Clinton was also responsible since she shouldn't have run for the nomination in the first place and instead stood back and allowed Bernie to claim it uncontested. Hard hitting primaries only hold for certain candidates but not the Chosen One.

Although Clinton won the popular vote by 2.5 million out of 125 million votes, her message was bad, and she was hopelessly flawed. Bernie lost the primary by 3.8 million out of 27.8 million votes, there was nothing wrong with his message and he is perfection itself. He only lost because the DNC "rigged" the primary and the Media instituted a blackout in which they only allowed him on three Sunday news shows each week. The fact the majority of Democrats, including the base of women and people of color, didn't support him was all due to DNC manipulation and the fact they are the establishment, stockholm syndrome sufferers, and too stupid to know they were manipulated to vote against the One True President. Elderly and disabled people participated in caucuses by absentee ballot, and they should be kept from doing so because they don't know how to vote right. Then there is the fact that those Democrats votes simply matter less than the votes of third party and GOP white male voters. Democratic voters simply matter less.

The loss of the GE doesn't matter. The rise of fascism doesn't matter. All that matters is Bernie was denied his right to be the Democratic nominee by the PTB and their manipulation of the poorest and most marginalized voters in the country. If only the primary had been longer, even more expensive, and the media had done it's job by running Bernie's stump speech 24/7, he would have won. That his support dropped off rather than increased by the end of the primary is not evidence that additional exposure did not help his electoral chances.

What I have learned is that some candidates deserved to be trashed during the primary, during the GE, and even after they have left political life, whereas another candidate should under no circumstances be criticized in anyway. The fact is some people are superior to others, and if you are among the subaltern who voted for Clinton in the primary and GE, you are what is wrong with America. That you even imagine your vote or your voice should matter is emblematic of the power of the establishment. What matters is not policy or competence, but Bernie. Anyone associated with Bernie, who posters here assume would have voted for Bernie (because they voted GOP in the GE) are superior to the people who reliably vote Democrat, who turn up to staff phone banks and spend countless hours every election going door to door for Democratic candidates. Those of us committed to the party and its voters are the problem.

The take away from the election: All people are not created equal. Bernie and his supporters are and always will be superior, and they deserve to control the votes of the entire Democratic voting public who, is too inferior to know how to vote properly in the first place.





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much is true MFM008 Dec 2016 #1
Oh yeah, I was just tried to be taught that.. Cha Dec 2016 #2
DU rec...nt SidDithers Dec 2016 #3
I learned that Elitism was just as bad as racism today. SaschaHM Dec 2016 #4
Let me guess? BainsBane Dec 2016 #6
More Phony Baloney.. "Elitism" seems to be their new buzzword to Cha Dec 2016 #8
Yeah, because a billionaire president with a cabinet of five billionaires BainsBane Dec 2016 #46
Right! It's Hillary and her 65 Million Voters.. forget about the drumpf meister... Cha Dec 2016 #48
Good morning Cha. stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #53
Good Mornin', stonecutter! Cha Dec 2016 #54
I love this meme Gothmog Dec 2016 #90
Yeah, that one kind of blew my mind. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #60
Is there a productive purpose behind this post? KPN Dec 2016 #5
Going for that Guiness book thing, maybe HassleCat Dec 2016 #11
Same purpose as your post. n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #19
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #24
Well, BlueProgressive, if you really believe that about Hillary, you have swallowed the RW lies.... Hekate Dec 2016 #26
Forcing? I dont recall anyone forcing me to vote for her but welcome to the DU cstanleytech Dec 2016 #30
yes ! stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #52
Yes, there is a very valid purpose being served by this thread and the OP Gothmog Dec 2016 #91
I learned that... JSup Dec 2016 #7
I knew awhile back.... quickesst Dec 2016 #9
Dayum I love you Bains. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #10
I love this and bookmarked it for when I get that Opposite World feeling. betsuni Dec 2016 #12
Ha! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #13
*screams* betsuni Dec 2016 #15
Yup. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #16
Yup, lots of new names, but familiar talking points. nt SunSeeker Dec 2016 #20
Correct my dear........................ sheshe2 Dec 2016 #22
Oh yeah Hekate Dec 2016 #28
Pre-election, many Tweets were chatbots in action. Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #89
K&R! DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #14
K & R SunSeeker Dec 2016 #17
Maybe you should take it up with rpannier Dec 2016 #18
These are the same people who have voted for Republicans for decades. pnwmom Dec 2016 #21
According to many articlesd I've seen rpannier Dec 2016 #23
The majority of college educated whites voted for Romney and McCain. pnwmom Dec 2016 #27
And I agree totally with rpannier Dec 2016 #38
There is a lot of back and forth going on. pnwmom Dec 2016 #39
Agreed rpannier Dec 2016 #42
+ 100 mahina Dec 2016 #44
Yep, but it's so much easier to Bernie-bash (or Hillary-bash) bekkilyn Dec 2016 #58
Just a quick addition rpannier Dec 2016 #40
BB, you continue to articulate our anger, our grief, and our truth. Thank you for this. Hekate Dec 2016 #25
I've actually been around since Howard Dean ran and I volunteered for his campaign NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #31
Which is why I check people's sign-up dates when they say something really off the wall ... Hekate Dec 2016 #35
I loved Dean and was bitterly disappointed when he lost... Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #49
Strangely, Dianne Sawyer confessed that, on air. bigmonkey Dec 2016 #86
I learned that the millions of white people who voted for Trump are racists automatically NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #29
"I am not sure I can vote Democratic next time around." Martin Eden Dec 2016 #88
These OPs should start being posted in a brand new specialized Support Group to the left. TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #32
I learned that Trumps coalition is stronger than ours world wide wally Dec 2016 #33
Something the "blame Hillary 100 percent" crowd tends to forget. Trump had a lot of help. Hekate Dec 2016 #36
And she STILL got more votes than he did EffieBlack Dec 2016 #100
Some of the onus for Bernie losing is on Bernie though as he and he alone was the one that made the cstanleytech Dec 2016 #34
I learned that people see and "learn" what they want to see. I propose that the JCanete Dec 2016 #37
I've learned that some people are obsessed with a single topic. progressoid Dec 2016 #41
What about the people who supported Bernie in the primary but supported Hillary in the general, who mahina Dec 2016 #43
They are good Democrats BainsBane Dec 2016 #45
You handled that very nicely, BB. brer cat Dec 2016 #47
Bookmarking! Thanks! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #50
K&R! stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #51
I supported Bernie and wanted him as the nominee but I had no problem transitioning. MadamPresident Dec 2016 #55
Thank you! BainsBane Dec 2016 #56
I wonder how many of the busters didnt vote, or wouldnt have voted otherwise, dionysus Dec 2016 #66
I am stealing Adolph Sniffler. rzemanfl Dec 2016 #76
LOL i saw it on discussionist, i think.... use it as you wish... dionysus Dec 2016 #96
I also supported Bernie and wanted him as the nominee, but transitioned... Raster Dec 2016 #79
ditto CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #102
The primary wars never ended. They were just suppressed. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #57
The primary ended BainsBane Dec 2016 #64
K&R Gothmog Dec 2016 #59
Mic drop! mcar Dec 2016 #61
I see more ppl desperately blaming bernie and supporters instead of dionysus Dec 2016 #62
I think it would be hard to claim some of those factors didn't play a role in the BainsBane Dec 2016 #63
DUers have rehashed and refought primaries since kerry/dean, sadly dionysus Dec 2016 #67
That's unfortunate BainsBane Dec 2016 #70
Agreed dionysus Dec 2016 #95
Me, too. As a Bernie supporter who shifted to HRC, no problem... I have to say the vitriol zonkers Dec 2016 #108
He's more of a dem (fdr era) than a lot of the "official" 3rd way dems out there dionysus Dec 2016 #109
I learned that the party may not want to learn from what happened NRQ891 Dec 2016 #65
You make a number of assumptions BainsBane Dec 2016 #68
Bravo!!! lunamagica Dec 2016 #69
What we've learned: people around here love them some circular firing squads Spider Jerusalem Dec 2016 #71
Many real Democrats do get angry Progressive dog Dec 2016 #72
And who exactly are the real vs unreal Democrats? BainsBane Dec 2016 #80
The real democrats are those who put democracy Progressive dog Dec 2016 #97
Spot on post. n/t duffyduff Dec 2016 #73
I've learned that Bernie is responsible for so many bad things reflection Dec 2016 #74
Popping in briefly just to applaud this post! BooScout Dec 2016 #75
I stopped reading the OP after the first two senteneces Martin Eden Dec 2016 #77
I stopped reading yours too Cary Dec 2016 #78
Too bad; you missed a spot-on and much deserved reprimand Martin Eden Dec 2016 #81
Who made you the judge? Cary Dec 2016 #82
Who made BainsBane the judge? Martin Eden Dec 2016 #83
You're the one who found her guilty, Cary Dec 2016 #85
Sounds an awful lot like you're reprimanding me Martin Eden Dec 2016 #87
Too bad Gothmog Dec 2016 #92
I hear ye... can't stand the haters myself Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #84
Make like Elsa budkin Dec 2016 #93
Clinton now has more than 2.6 million votes more than trump Gothmog Dec 2016 #94
K&R Jamaal510 Dec 2016 #98
Perfect! EffieBlack Dec 2016 #99
"who continue to be angry about the primary, months after the fact." - pot, kettle, black. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #101
no, the primaries were lost ages before bernie actually gave up. the election was lost a month ago La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #103
With such a historic opportunity, to see first "woman in the White House" and her being such brewens Dec 2016 #104
good lord.... mike_c Dec 2016 #105
You must feel gratified BainsBane Dec 2016 #107
Well done Dem2 Dec 2016 #106
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