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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Please Feel Free to Take Me for Granted [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)60. Insiders don't fight for anything without outside pressure, and if they do its' a pointless gesture.
You don't get change from the inside by scratching each others back. Most people have interests they have to serve in order to get reelected, which means there's very little appealing to sensibilities or conscience going on, only appealing to their sponsors interests and reelection chances. The latter though, only matters if you have to show the people something. If the people aren't clamoring for it and pounding at the gates, there is no reason for the establishment to make waves. Point is, even if you are looking for a legacy issue that you can feel good about, you are likely to give up so much to corporate interests in order to get movement on that that, that you've probably done more long term harm than good.
If the DNC and Clinton had started talking like they did post primaries earlier on, then maybe Sanders would have pulled out early, and they could have done a better job of courting his voters, which still mostly came in for her anyway. If she had adopted a platform that wasn't just tinkering with shit behind closed doors and had stood for issues and policies in a clear way(whether they could be passed or not be damned-cuz nothing good can be passed in this congress anyway; we need the bully pulpit to appeal to the people), there would not have been a perceived need to push all the way to the primaries to leverage his Capital to get his issues adopted--thus less bad blood.
The reality is the DNC and Clinton wanted to put Sanders and every issue he'd rallied voters to, behind them. They just wanted him to crawl off and die somewhere, and did everything they could to try to make him look mean spirited, self-centered, and even coddling of racists, so that they wouldn't have to promise to fight for things that are inconvenient for them.
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That's right -unless and until you start standing for what Republicans stand for ....
lunasun
Dec 2016
#11
As long as you do all that, Democrats, count me in as not minding being taken for granted
Feeling the Bern
Dec 2016
#23
Yeah you did, in a very passive aggressive, easy to deny way. What you did is called gaslighting.
Feeling the Bern
Dec 2016
#31
are you even allowed to do that on these boards? That seems way the fuck out of line.
JCanete
Dec 2016
#57
Well if this is the level of honesty you are comfortable with, more power to you. It isn't about
JCanete
Dec 2016
#75
What even is this post about. Perhaps you could do the work she refused to do, and
JCanete
Dec 2016
#79
Look- and informed grownup who can make her own decisions. Yes, it is we who support the Party.
NBachers
Dec 2016
#35
They have to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. That's why I was/am a Bernie supporter. As a
GreenPartyVoter
Dec 2016
#42
I think you've coined a new slogan 'Its ok to take you for granted-we know we can count on your vote
NRQ891
Dec 2016
#50
Reality can seem that way when butting up against preconceived conclusions. nt
fleabiscuit
Dec 2016
#90
Insiders don't fight for anything without outside pressure, and if they do its' a pointless gesture.
JCanete
Dec 2016
#60
Well that is lovely, and nobody has ever had to fight to get democrats to take up issues that matter
JCanete
Dec 2016
#56