2016 Postmortem

bettyellen

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49. I saw it among Dems as well, it was that pervasive. A squeaker like this was....

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:26 PM

Dec 2016

Any of a dozen things could have turned this election.
It's unfortunate the way this primal blind hatred held sway over too many voters from both parties.

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Clinton's loss in the GE was all her fault [View all] BainsBane Dec 2016 OP

Hell no. Cha Dec 2016 #1

Hell no... tecelote Dec 2016 #15

Agree, it is over, learn from the mistakes & move on. Alekzander Dec 2016 #51

Nah, this is easier. Besides, working to overhaul the Party might get you body odor. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #76

So, hopefully will get some deodrant & good body wash for Xmas. Alekzander Dec 2016 #77

Well, working to change a blown-out party does require swear, no? Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #80

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #2

Damn.. they cannot handle that?! Cha Dec 2016 #3

The alert was for "bashing Democratic figures". I see no bashing, and even if it were, Sanders is.. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #4

Right! I see no bashing of DEMS whatsoever. Cha Dec 2016 #6

New DU rules expressly state that Sanders is in this category. Just FYI... JudyM Dec 2016 #86

As i said.. no bashing of DEMS. Cha Dec 2016 #87

As I said, the post-election DU rules state that Bernie is a dem leader that is not to be bashed. JudyM Dec 2016 #88

As I say I see no bashing of DEMS! Cha Dec 2016 #89

It doesn't bash Sanders at all BainsBane Dec 2016 #8

I agree, and so far it looks like it may have survived. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #9

Thanks, Tarheel Dem. BainsBane Dec 2016 #10

According to the Site Rules, Sanders IS a Democratic figure. BlueProgressive Dec 2016 #84

The new DU rules specifically state that he is included in this category. JudyM Dec 2016 #85

Better put in the sarcasm thingy, someone did not get it Hekate Dec 2016 #5

It's not so much sarcasm as exploring a BainsBane Dec 2016 #7

BoBs are very sensitive WhiteTara Dec 2016 #41

THIS post got alerted? DFW Dec 2016 #11

Well said. OnDoutside Dec 2016 #13

Some seem to think any suggestion BainsBane Dec 2016 #14

Bernie was NOT responsible for Pearl Harbor!! Maybe the Vietnam War though!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #26

K&R betsuni Dec 2016 #12

It is the double standard that Hillary has always been under. By the media, she was still_one Dec 2016 #16

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For whatever reason, because those self-identified progressives either refused to vote, or still_one Dec 2016 #20

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The strong vote for their future. The strong do something to ensure MineralMan Dec 2016 #25

"cut throat third way stuff". Russ Feingold WASN'T a third way. Zypher Teachout still_one Dec 2016 #29

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hillary did better than feingold. JI7 Dec 2016 #75

Hillary's platform and positions were very liberal mcar Dec 2016 #68

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You really didn't pay attention, I see mcar Dec 2016 #72

Next time must cater to the right people. Check. lapucelle Dec 2016 #57

Yes and all the " POLLS" MFM008 Dec 2016 #65

The contradiction is glaring brer cat Dec 2016 #18

Oh no. BainsBane Dec 2016 #19

back on this merry-go-round, eh? Of course Clinton's loss in the GE was NOT all her fault... Raster Dec 2016 #22

You don't seem to understand that sexists aren't even often aware of the double standards they bettyellen Dec 2016 #43

Make you a deal, you don't tell me what I "seem to understand,"... Raster Dec 2016 #44

Your premise -that sexists would admit or even be aware- has been discredited for years. bettyellen Dec 2016 #45

I am not saying the Hillary Hate came only from Fox or the GOP... Raster Dec 2016 #46

When she was help to a higher standard than Bernie, Biden, Obama and most other Dem men.... bettyellen Dec 2016 #47

I don't deny any of what you are saying, I agree... Raster Dec 2016 #48

I saw it among Dems as well, it was that pervasive. A squeaker like this was.... bettyellen Dec 2016 #49

I agree. I hope someone like Conason or other friendly author... Raster Dec 2016 #52

There were a few wild cards- the collusion w Comney as well as Wikileaks bullshit bettyellen Dec 2016 #64

Great analysis Gothmog Dec 2016 #23

the party needs to be open to all truths about this election NRQ891 Dec 2016 #24

TM99, but reality is that there was a concerted effort by third party/Sanders R B Garr Dec 2016 #28

well, let's outlaw 3rd parties then NRQ891 Dec 2016 #50

But the third party strategy, by the extremists anyway, was to lodge R B Garr Dec 2016 #54

and Perot gave the country Clinton in 1992 NRQ891 Dec 2016 #55

Sigh. This is an old, debunked canard about Ross Perot. Perot R B Garr Dec 2016 #56

ok, you sold me - let's outlaw third parties NRQ891 Dec 2016 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #27

Not true BainsBane Dec 2016 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #34

What is the fact? BainsBane Dec 2016 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #37

A poll in which you get to choose only gives one option is not evidence progressoid Dec 2016 #82

Clinton's "Loss" is due to an antiquated system from the 18th century. If operated as designed... NNadir Dec 2016 #30

I've noticed that, too! Clinton's loss is her fault. Bernie's loss is Clinton's fault. R B Garr Dec 2016 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #38

Democratic Senators and Congresspersons lost their races, but that's Hillary's fault, too EffieBlack Dec 2016 #39

Makes sense to me! mcar Dec 2016 #33

I agree, it was all her fault. Exilednight Dec 2016 #36

But Bernie's loss was not his fault at all BainsBane Dec 2016 #67

No. Bernie's loss is his own. But there was a bias in DNC. Exilednight Dec 2016 #70

On Election Day when folks thought Hillary was going to win EffieBlack Dec 2016 #40

Kick & Rec sheshe2 Dec 2016 #42

Not Your Grandmothers Wisconsin elleng Dec 2016 #53

I like the top reader comments much better than the opinion piece, particularly this one: spooky3 Dec 2016 #62

Oh smart: elleng Dec 2016 #63

This is great - thanks! EffieBlack Dec 2016 #74

the election (as Greg Palast has shown) was stolen by massive GOP voter disqualification ... cloudythescribbler Dec 2016 #58

Great point. I don't remember even a single Hillary-basher pointing a finger at Bernie DanTex Dec 2016 #59

Precisely. Nt BainsBane Dec 2016 #61

It was up to her to address ALL issues. The same way every male candidate has to address issues. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #60

Not true at all. She was held to a FAR higher standard. n/t duffyduff Dec 2016 #73

And Trump addressed all issues did he? And Clinton didn't? JHan Dec 2016 #81

Damn right she was held to higher standards. apcalc Dec 2016 #78

I see what you did there. immoderate Dec 2016 #79

Oh hell no. There is always someone else to blame GummyBearz Dec 2016 #83

I don't think many people are saying it's ALL her fault. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #90