2016 Postmortem

Raster

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44. Make you a deal, you don't tell me what I "seem to understand,"...

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 12:57 PM

Dec 2016

...and I will do the same for you.

And yes, ingrained, underlying sexism colors things we wouldn't normally suspect. I get that. But to blame Clinton's supposed loss primarily on sexism seems to be disregarding other primary factors at work. And I say supposed, because I believe if it had been a completely fair and level playing field, Hillary Clinton would have beaten the tar out of Donald Trump, and quite frankly, probably did.

I stand on my premise: Ultimately the Hillary Hate religion preached 24 hours on day on Faux, piped in 24 hours a day to American military and pounded home 24 hours a day on talk radio tipped the scales towards tRump even before one ballot was ever cast.

And the over-arching reason the dark side worked so viciously to defeat Clinton, was not necessarily because of sexism. No, the primal motivator was to try and stop the electoral tide turning against republicans and insure that their dying ideology was propped up in the Supreme Court for a generation to come.

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Clinton's loss in the GE was all her fault [View all] BainsBane Dec 2016 OP

Hell no. Cha Dec 2016 #1

Hell no... tecelote Dec 2016 #15

Agree, it is over, learn from the mistakes & move on. Alekzander Dec 2016 #51

Nah, this is easier. Besides, working to overhaul the Party might get you body odor. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #76

So, hopefully will get some deodrant & good body wash for Xmas. Alekzander Dec 2016 #77

Well, working to change a blown-out party does require swear, no? Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #80

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #2

Damn.. they cannot handle that?! Cha Dec 2016 #3

The alert was for "bashing Democratic figures". I see no bashing, and even if it were, Sanders is.. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #4

Right! I see no bashing of DEMS whatsoever. Cha Dec 2016 #6

New DU rules expressly state that Sanders is in this category. Just FYI... JudyM Dec 2016 #86

As i said.. no bashing of DEMS. Cha Dec 2016 #87

As I said, the post-election DU rules state that Bernie is a dem leader that is not to be bashed. JudyM Dec 2016 #88

As I say I see no bashing of DEMS! Cha Dec 2016 #89

It doesn't bash Sanders at all BainsBane Dec 2016 #8

I agree, and so far it looks like it may have survived. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #9

Thanks, Tarheel Dem. BainsBane Dec 2016 #10

According to the Site Rules, Sanders IS a Democratic figure. BlueProgressive Dec 2016 #84

The new DU rules specifically state that he is included in this category. JudyM Dec 2016 #85

Better put in the sarcasm thingy, someone did not get it Hekate Dec 2016 #5

It's not so much sarcasm as exploring a BainsBane Dec 2016 #7

BoBs are very sensitive WhiteTara Dec 2016 #41

THIS post got alerted? DFW Dec 2016 #11

Well said. OnDoutside Dec 2016 #13

Some seem to think any suggestion BainsBane Dec 2016 #14

Bernie was NOT responsible for Pearl Harbor!! Maybe the Vietnam War though!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #26

K&R betsuni Dec 2016 #12

It is the double standard that Hillary has always been under. By the media, she was still_one Dec 2016 #16

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For whatever reason, because those self-identified progressives either refused to vote, or still_one Dec 2016 #20

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #21

The strong vote for their future. The strong do something to ensure MineralMan Dec 2016 #25

"cut throat third way stuff". Russ Feingold WASN'T a third way. Zypher Teachout still_one Dec 2016 #29

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hillary did better than feingold. JI7 Dec 2016 #75

Hillary's platform and positions were very liberal mcar Dec 2016 #68

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You really didn't pay attention, I see mcar Dec 2016 #72

Next time must cater to the right people. Check. lapucelle Dec 2016 #57

Yes and all the " POLLS" MFM008 Dec 2016 #65

The contradiction is glaring brer cat Dec 2016 #18

Oh no. BainsBane Dec 2016 #19

back on this merry-go-round, eh? Of course Clinton's loss in the GE was NOT all her fault... Raster Dec 2016 #22

You don't seem to understand that sexists aren't even often aware of the double standards they bettyellen Dec 2016 #43

Make you a deal, you don't tell me what I "seem to understand,"... Raster Dec 2016 #44

Your premise -that sexists would admit or even be aware- has been discredited for years. bettyellen Dec 2016 #45

I am not saying the Hillary Hate came only from Fox or the GOP... Raster Dec 2016 #46

When she was help to a higher standard than Bernie, Biden, Obama and most other Dem men.... bettyellen Dec 2016 #47

I don't deny any of what you are saying, I agree... Raster Dec 2016 #48

I saw it among Dems as well, it was that pervasive. A squeaker like this was.... bettyellen Dec 2016 #49

I agree. I hope someone like Conason or other friendly author... Raster Dec 2016 #52

There were a few wild cards- the collusion w Comney as well as Wikileaks bullshit bettyellen Dec 2016 #64

Great analysis Gothmog Dec 2016 #23

the party needs to be open to all truths about this election NRQ891 Dec 2016 #24

TM99, but reality is that there was a concerted effort by third party/Sanders R B Garr Dec 2016 #28

well, let's outlaw 3rd parties then NRQ891 Dec 2016 #50

But the third party strategy, by the extremists anyway, was to lodge R B Garr Dec 2016 #54

and Perot gave the country Clinton in 1992 NRQ891 Dec 2016 #55

Sigh. This is an old, debunked canard about Ross Perot. Perot R B Garr Dec 2016 #56

ok, you sold me - let's outlaw third parties NRQ891 Dec 2016 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #27

Not true BainsBane Dec 2016 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #34

What is the fact? BainsBane Dec 2016 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #37

A poll in which you get to choose only gives one option is not evidence progressoid Dec 2016 #82

Clinton's "Loss" is due to an antiquated system from the 18th century. If operated as designed... NNadir Dec 2016 #30

I've noticed that, too! Clinton's loss is her fault. Bernie's loss is Clinton's fault. R B Garr Dec 2016 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #38

Democratic Senators and Congresspersons lost their races, but that's Hillary's fault, too EffieBlack Dec 2016 #39

Makes sense to me! mcar Dec 2016 #33

I agree, it was all her fault. Exilednight Dec 2016 #36

But Bernie's loss was not his fault at all BainsBane Dec 2016 #67

No. Bernie's loss is his own. But there was a bias in DNC. Exilednight Dec 2016 #70

On Election Day when folks thought Hillary was going to win EffieBlack Dec 2016 #40

Kick & Rec sheshe2 Dec 2016 #42

Not Your Grandmothers Wisconsin elleng Dec 2016 #53

I like the top reader comments much better than the opinion piece, particularly this one: spooky3 Dec 2016 #62

Oh smart: elleng Dec 2016 #63

This is great - thanks! EffieBlack Dec 2016 #74

the election (as Greg Palast has shown) was stolen by massive GOP voter disqualification ... cloudythescribbler Dec 2016 #58

Great point. I don't remember even a single Hillary-basher pointing a finger at Bernie DanTex Dec 2016 #59

Precisely. Nt BainsBane Dec 2016 #61

It was up to her to address ALL issues. The same way every male candidate has to address issues. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #60

Not true at all. She was held to a FAR higher standard. n/t duffyduff Dec 2016 #73

And Trump addressed all issues did he? And Clinton didn't? JHan Dec 2016 #81

Damn right she was held to higher standards. apcalc Dec 2016 #78

I see what you did there. immoderate Dec 2016 #79

Oh hell no. There is always someone else to blame GummyBearz Dec 2016 #83

I don't think many people are saying it's ALL her fault. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #90