2016 Postmortem

NoGoodNamesLeft

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86. Turnout was about the same, higher in 2 states, lower in two and about the same in one

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 07:51 AM

Dec 2016

Turnout

Wisconsin

2012: 72.9
2016: 69.4

Iowa

2012: 70.3
2016: 68.6

Ohio

2012: 64.5
2016: 64.1

Pennsylvania

2012: 59.5
2016: 62.2

Michigan

2012: 64.7
2016: 65.6

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White Trump voters that voted for Obama twice aren't racist, they are Emotion Voters [View all] NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 OP

Because Trump is a better liar and cheater. raging moderate Dec 2016 #1

I hope you are not saying that President Obama is a liar and a cheater!!! Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #29

Obama is not a Republicon. raging moderate Dec 2016 #68

I'll just repost a comment I made to another OP. stone space Dec 2016 #2

Or 6) Dude was trolling people in line NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #4

The plural of anecdote isn't data mythology Dec 2016 #25

It was in a major publication like NYT or WaPo. I forget exactly, but it wasn't anything obscure. stone space Dec 2016 #26

How many white Trump supporters voted for Obama? Drunken Irishman Dec 2016 #3

We are talking about the Rust Belt voters and Obama did much better than Clinton with them NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #5

And Obama did much worse among rust belt white voters than past white candidates... Drunken Irishman Dec 2016 #10

Kerry lost and 2004 was 12 years ago and you are talking one state NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #16

You're posing irrelevant figures... Drunken Irishman Dec 2016 #37

See post 30, I add percentages of 3rd party voters and percentages of Democrats that voted for Trump NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #39

You're not getting it. Drunken Irishman Dec 2016 #72

Turnout was about the same, higher in 2 states, lower in two and about the same in one NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #86

That doesn't mean that many Obama voters voted for Trump gollygee Dec 2016 #11

Agreed. It also means many Obama voters could have voted third party. Drunken Irishman Dec 2016 #12

or not voted at all still_one Dec 2016 #51

Most of the rust belt states had similar or higher turnout NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #62

Yeah, a lot of people who don't usually vote voted gollygee Dec 2016 #65

Where are your statistics and sources to back that up? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #67

I'm questioning the assumptions you're making based on those statistics. Nt gollygee Dec 2016 #70

The percentage of Third Party voters only went up 1-3% in the rust belt states NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #56

White working class usually Democratic voters as depicted by the map at the link below NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #22

I personally know five. I don't talk about politics that much with Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #31

I know one. I do talk politics with people. gollygee Dec 2016 #32

I don't know any. blue cat Dec 2016 #55

I think it had to do with local demographics/prosperity. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #94

As far as I can tell, you are right about the fewer votes from Dems. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #92

You're assuming these are the same voters from year to year EffieBlack Dec 2016 #15

No, it compares Obama's 2012 numbers and Clinton's 2016 numbers NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #30

You're completely missing the point EffieBlack Dec 2016 #35

DEMOCRATS that voted for Trump in the Rust Belt. D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-S NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #41

But you don't know if they're THE SAME DEMOCRATS EffieBlack Dec 2016 #43

11% of Democrats voted for George W. Bush gollygee Dec 2016 #45

What percentage of Rust Belt Democrats voted for Bush? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #48

I want to see why you think the same specific people who voted for Obama voted for Clinton gollygee Dec 2016 #50

You're misunderstanding the point I was making with those figures NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #52

So fewer of them showed up to vote gollygee Dec 2016 #53

Percentages are deceiving Tommy2Tone Dec 2016 #77

Here are the turnout numbers for 2012 vs 2016 NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #85

I'll concede that Tommy2Tone Dec 2016 #95

Some are racially motivated. HassleCat Dec 2016 #6

Yes some are, but many are not NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #7

Agree with you there. HassleCat Dec 2016 #8

Exactly...although there are definitely some who are, you can't lump people together NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #9

Middle Management at Ironic Co. Afromania Dec 2016 #14

Corporate takeover coming. HassleCat Dec 2016 #20

Post Takeover Afromania Dec 2016 #24

It might hurt their feelings. stone space Dec 2016 #75

I don't much care how Trump voters are labeled. Laurian Dec 2016 #13

Thank you! EffieBlack Dec 2016 #17

Exactly To The Point Me. Dec 2016 #18

I stand up against bigotry WHENEVER I see it...including when it's directed towards NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #33

Nobody is stopping anybody from changing. stone space Dec 2016 #76

Couldn't agree with you more. Paladin Dec 2016 #19

And those who don't think an Obama voter could be racist don't understand racism. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #21

Yet they are the first and the loudest to lecture the rest of us about it EffieBlack Dec 2016 #44

Because I'd like to win the presidency back in 2020? mythology Dec 2016 #28

I disagree. I have no desire to appeal to racist, misogynistic, xenophobic people Laurian Dec 2016 #34

Democrats will NEVER win without those lost states...NEVER NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #49

"those who did not vote " TwilightZone Dec 2016 #59

I'm just fed up with seeing bigotry flowing freely on this site against entire groups NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #66

It's only directed at white voters who voted for Trump gollygee Dec 2016 #71

Yeah, we had one of those here, too. The cops even gave him his confederate flag back. stone space Dec 2016 #79

And THAT Trump voter is a racist, clearly a member of the alt-right NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #87

I don't much care how Trump voters are labeled. LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #40

You are using a couple of questionable assumptions... NCTraveler Dec 2016 #23

"How is one deemed not racist because they voted for Obama?" EffieBlack Dec 2016 #36

He showed up and talked about bringing back jobs. She showed up and talked about him. NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #38

"He showed up and talked about bringing back jobs. She showed up and talked about him." NCTraveler Dec 2016 #42

You seem to thing if the people who voted for a white sepremacist campaign will check their . . . brush Dec 2016 #46

"not addressing the economic concerns " TwilightZone Dec 2016 #60

It doesn't matter if they are racist. Adrahil Dec 2016 #27

And I haven't seen any of them condemn the racist violence in Trump's name or his making a EffieBlack Dec 2016 #47

rump supporters are all racist... scscholar Dec 2016 #54

If you vote for someone who is openly racist and sexist, you are supporting racism and sexism. Squinch Dec 2016 #57

yup, Trump and Ben Carson are friends and i don't doubt that Trump actually likes him JI7 Dec 2016 #73

I seriously don't get this defense of an obvious act of racism and sexism. A vote for Squinch Dec 2016 #81

No one is embracing racists! Many here are falsely labeling people as such... NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #88

If you vote for someone who is openly racist and sexist, you are by definition racist and sexist. Squinch Dec 2016 #89

I Include them all too bravenak Dec 2016 #90

By all means, keep calling them racist and demeaning their lives and views Calista241 Dec 2016 #58

David Souter retired in 2009 TwilightZone Dec 2016 #61

You're right, I meant Breyer. n/t Calista241 Dec 2016 #64

This is simply untrue. There are multiple threads now with proof of why it isn't true. Let me Squinch Dec 2016 #82

People voting for a candidate endorsed by the KKK & saluted by the Nazis are racist by definition. baldguy Dec 2016 #63

What they are is misogynistic. nt. marybourg Dec 2016 #69

I actually do believe that they are racist and sexist, but the thing that kept more of them from Squinch Dec 2016 #83

If they voted for Trump, then they don't care about racism... SidDithers Dec 2016 #74

why didn't his racist comments bother them? DesertFlower Dec 2016 #78

you may be right; that and people ALWAYS want "a change." nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #80

Many people told me they voted for the "muslim nigger"!!! And told me I was not a "nigger" like bravenak Dec 2016 #84

Racist behavior is usually due to emotions utilized over logic. Quayblue Dec 2016 #91

Wrong. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #93