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Dems to Win

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21. Some people remember a time when the factory was humming, everybody had jobs, it was great
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:57 PM
Dec 2016

I'm willing to grant my fellow Americans the benefit of the doubt that at least some have this in mind when thinking of Making America Great Again.

Many people are opposed to NAFTA, PNTR-China, and illegal immigration, and don't consider themselves to be bigots.
Union workers in Ohio, for instance:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/rust-belt-democrats-saw-trump-wave-coming


These Rust Belt Democrats Saw the Trump Wave Coming
And they tried to warn the Clinton campaign.

PEMA LEVYNOV. 11, 2016 3:32 PM

Like labor unions everywhere, the local Plumbers & Pipefitters union in Ohio's Mahoning Valley—a historically Democratic bastion due to the influence of labor—endorsed Hillary Clinton for president in September 2015 and urged its members to vote for her. But unlike in years past, when Roland "Butch" Taylor briefed about 200 members on the union's support of Clinton and the prospective benefits of a Clinton presidency in May, the meeting didn't go well. "I got a lot of boos," he recalls. "I got a lot of chatter back. And out of the group, only one person came up and asked me for a T-shirt."

"Right then and there, I knew something was wrong," says Taylor, who retired a few months later. "I thought, 'Well, maybe it will change as the campaign moves forward.'"

snip...

Like Betras, Taylor doesn't believe his peers and neighbors who supported Trump are racist. But he understands how Trump's talk about immigration appealed to people in the Rust Belt. A few years ago, his union was working on a billion-dollar natural gas processing plant, and the workers noticed that the bulk of the work was being done by Spanish-speaking laborers who arrived each morning on buses. "It brought a lot of resentment to the area because they'd never seen it before," Taylor says. "People see that and then they go tell everybody else, and social media, the way it is, it just runs wild." He believes Trump benefited when the community saw immigrants "taking jobs that Americans think they should be doing."

snip...


In the aftermath of the election, even as Taylor looks backs and sees the writing on the wall, he sounds shaken by what the country—and specifically white-working class voters in the Rust Belt—allowed to happen. He acknowledges that the Clintons were "wrapped so close to NAFTA" (which Bill Clinton approved as president) and that Hillary Clinton's speaking fees from big banks looked bad. "I see where people would have resentment," he says.


I totally agree gollygee Dec 2016 #1
and add in the acceptance of that bigotry by the media JI7 Dec 2016 #2
Watching them normalize his cruel and idiotic rants was just too much. bettyellen Dec 2016 #5
He may not be good for America, 90-percent Dec 2016 #16
It seems to be what Americans want and like. It's hard to see otherwise! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #3
2.5 million more Americans voted for Hillary than Trump. nt SunSeeker Dec 2016 #12
Quite true, of course, but the vote for Trump was deplorable, so many like him. WTF! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #15
I suppose the only surprising thing for me is that so many are surprised by this revelation. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #4
I think you are absolutely right. Laurian Dec 2016 #6
Oh - and ableist! gollygee Dec 2016 #7
Trump got 62 m votes Pantagruel Dec 2016 #8
if you vote for a self-identified racist and misgoynist Skittles Dec 2016 #23
K&R mcar Dec 2016 #9
From post #7 above - "People liked him because he spoke his mind." 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #10
Sadly, I agree. mountain grammy Dec 2016 #11
K&R. Paladin Dec 2016 #13
I agree that this country tenisfin Dec 2016 #14
Well, we do know that elmac Dec 2016 #17
We also know that over 40% of eligibles didn't bother DeadLetterOffice Dec 2016 #34
I can only speak from my own experience, but... William Seger Dec 2016 #18
No we're not.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #19
That over 40% of eligibles didn't come out to vote... DeadLetterOffice Dec 2016 #35
I know a classic West Coast California Racist.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #39
how do we know what they think? treestar Dec 2016 #45
I'm more likely to believe the anti-NAFTA rustbelt line. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #48
We could bring back 90% tax on billionaires IronLionZion Dec 2016 #20
Practically no one ever actually paid that rate. Wouldnt do any good. 7962 Dec 2016 #29
That's a talking point... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #40
You're talking more corporate money than individual. 7962 Dec 2016 #43
I want to take away enough so they can't buy the government.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #47
Some people remember a time when the factory was humming, everybody had jobs, it was great Dems to Win Dec 2016 #21
does Taylor understand DONALD'S and IVANKA'S PRODUCTS ARE MADE OFFSHORE Skittles Dec 2016 #22
Trump voters believe he HAD to outsource... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #41
My gut reaction was to argue Nevernose Dec 2016 #24
Whatever flaws our candidate had, it was nothing compared to Trump's. LisaL Dec 2016 #25
They're used to having flaws! 7962 Dec 2016 #30
the bar is way higher for Democrats Skittles Dec 2016 #32
I don't know. Honest answer. Nevernose Dec 2016 #33
everyone is flawed, she has a better record than most people of doing good for others. the people JI7 Dec 2016 #36
there will always be racists and sexists but limbaugh and sons have been used certainot Dec 2016 #26
The only comfort is that, BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #27
Yep kebob Dec 2016 #28
I believe most of us knew it. We're just more racist and sexist than we ever wanted to admit. TonyPDX Dec 2016 #31
AMEN, you speak the Truth! n/t iluvtennis Dec 2016 #37
I think we all were kidding ourselves, believing that as a society COLGATE4 Dec 2016 #38
It was the BELTWAY MEDIA that has absolutely ZERO CLUE about the rest of America who pushed that... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #42
True and I've seen the theory that treestar Dec 2016 #44
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #46
This is completely untrue mcar Dec 2016 #55
The truth hurts agalisgv Dec 2016 #49
I think there is a significant proportion that knew exactly how sexist and racist we are ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #50
Yet, we elected an Afraican American Twice RFKISNEEDED Dec 2016 #51
There was more to Clinton's loss ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #52
True, but racism wasn't on the ballot in 2012 like it was this year. DanTex Dec 2016 #53
The majority of the country wants empire Generic Brad Dec 2016 #54
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