2016 Postmortem

JHan

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30. Pretty poor form to assume people voted for her because she has a vagina...

Fri Dec 2, 2016, 10:54 AM

Dec 2016

I have a vagina as well, that's not why I voted for her. Hillary's health care initiatives, promising tech plan, mental health care initiative and steps towards criminal justice reform were what swayed me the most.

Addressing the sexism she faced this year is important, correctly framing how her campaign addressed it is important.

When Barack Obama ran, there were similar narratives about race and religion and how to overcome it.

These were/are vital conversations we should engage.

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RIP "coronation" and "her turn." Sad BS memes finally pass their expiration date. [View all] BobbyDrake Dec 2016 OP

There are very few leftofcool Dec 2016 #1

And the Civil War re-enactors take the field again. mac56 Dec 2016 #2

Except in this case, the dead horse is healthy, alive and still bleating. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #3

When I've encountered them, yes, I have done so. mac56 Dec 2016 #9

Nothing personal, but... ybbor Dec 2016 #133

LanternWaste is correct... BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #8

Wait a minute, you checked me out? mac56 Dec 2016 #10

Exposing hypocrisy is never creepy. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #21

Exactly! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #97

Whatever you need to tell yourself to justify your stalking behavior. mac56 Dec 2016 #99

Painful truth? Checking threads isn't stalking WhiteTara Dec 2016 #104

I wondered if maybe I'd returned to DU too soon. mac56 Dec 2016 #105

It's always been like this. Rex Dec 2016 #109

No, I've been here since very nearly the beginning. mac56 Dec 2016 #112

So have I. Rex Dec 2016 #113

Engage or not however you want. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #145

My heart will go on. mac56 Dec 2016 #153

This Is The Postmortem Forum otohara Dec 2016 #83

It's not a useful post mortem... Begabig Dec 2016 #88

All I See Is More Slime Being Thrown @ Hillary otohara Dec 2016 #91

She deserves the blame for the loss... Begabig Dec 2016 #95

The toxic element of the Sanders wing deserves much of the blame, lapucelle Dec 2016 #127

Bernie folks voted for her in huge numbers, more than she would have had if he had not run. Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #142

I'm not disputing the hard work that many Sanders supporters engaged in lapucelle Dec 2016 #144

Yeah...the were self fulfilling...the prmary made them happen... Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #165

So.... Begabig Dec 2016 #167

Yes, during a crucial election year that is exactly what should have happened...now Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #168

That mindset is why talk about it being "her turn" or a "coronation" lingered... Begabig Dec 2016 #169

Once again, if you don't believe how I believe... Raster Dec 2016 #4

One of your questions is easy to answer DFW Dec 2016 #5

Nicely put, DFW. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #7

Like Pete Seeger once said: DFW Dec 2016 #15

Why are people Cubs fans? Cary Dec 2016 #12

Hey, my brother-in-law is a Cubs fan! DFW Dec 2016 #14

Nothing against Cubs fans, mind you. Cary Dec 2016 #96

Yes, please! betsuni Dec 2016 #6

One thing about the Green Party recounts. yallerdawg Dec 2016 #11

It's true they can't win without us (us meaning Democratic Party) Exilednight Dec 2016 #13

Three weeks out Plucketeer Dec 2016 #66

Yep, its all Bernie's fault hueymahl Dec 2016 #103

Almost thought this was a Rude Pundit piece BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #16

You mean melman Dec 2016 #43

Yeah I'd be cringing if I hated Hillary past the point of common sense right now ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #56

Rude doesn't mince words and neither did the OP. nt BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #114

Openly gendered terms like..."I'm With Her"? MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #17

Way to tap into rightwing talking points! Nicely played. Buzz Clik Dec 2016 #23

My bad, you're right. Our physical characteristics ARE what defines us. nt MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #25

Pretty poor form to assume people voted for her because she has a vagina... JHan Dec 2016 #30

This is completely false mcar Dec 2016 #26

One reason so many weren't paying attention is the media. LiberalFighter Dec 2016 #61

Yeah, and I'll bet if she was elected she'd want to be sworn in on the steps of the Capitol! George II Dec 2016 #122

How dare she! mcar Dec 2016 #124

UGH ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #55

"campaigns that are solely focused on "making history"' Garrett78 Dec 2016 #72

this- agreed 100% JHan Dec 2016 #101

If she broke that glass ceiling in the Jacob Javits Center... GummyBearz Dec 2016 #123

What the heck are you talking about? Fla Dem Dec 2016 #129

Wish I Could Recommend Me. Dec 2016 #18

What a sad OP. MelissaB Dec 2016 #19

There was this sense though that it was "her turn". alarimer Dec 2016 #24

It sure is. MelissaB Dec 2016 #28

She was fully qualified to run for a position that is open to anyone. Anyone else could have run. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #29

Talk about whining... MelissaB Dec 2016 #32

Link to where I said she lost because she's a woman or stop replying. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #33

Project much? MelissaB Dec 2016 #41

You're the one not acknowleding what you won't see, not me. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #50

Fail again, but keep trying. MelissaB Dec 2016 #59

Well, I think the people who let their side used sexist terms is what is offensive and divisive. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #69

Insane. MelissaB Dec 2016 #77

Because that always works right? ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #86

Can't see what ya don't look at, I keep saying it... easier to blame than to try to understand. JudyM Dec 2016 #34

Some people here don't even try to understand. MelissaB Dec 2016 #49

Exactly right, Melissa. Apparently thinking like tRump: if you shout the same malarky over and over JudyM Dec 2016 #58

She came off as entitled and her negatives scientifically validated it BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #35

LOL @ your irony. "She came off as entitled" is nothing BUT "hurt feelings." BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #39

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #42

With a tiny handful of candidates... Begabig Dec 2016 #111

Many of you who claim that still also sat silent while your allies used those terms. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #27

My "allies used those terms"??? MelissaB Dec 2016 #31

You saw those terms posted here; what did you do about it? BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #51

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #63

If you can't answer, just admit it. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #73

You are trying to use reason here? JudyM Dec 2016 #62

Tell us why her "corporate and Wall Street ties" BainsBane Dec 2016 #90

this is breathtaking- 'Why was it so horrible for Clinton to acquire wealth from speeches ' NRQ891 Dec 2016 #132

That was what she got paid for giving speeches. What is wrong with that? SunSeeker Dec 2016 #140

because many see it as a laundered bribe nt NRQ891 Dec 2016 #143

"Many" would be right wingers, like the poutrage over Benghazi and emails. nt SunSeeker Dec 2016 #148

I guess you're counting Bernie as one of those 'Right Wingers' NRQ891 Dec 2016 #149

Bernie is not a Dem. His bullshit personal attacks on Hillary were gleefully picked up by Trump. SunSeeker Dec 2016 #150

but you said the 'many' are 'right wingers, you didn't say 'not Dem' nt NRQ891 Dec 2016 #151

Yes, many are right wingers. That is an accurate statement. nt SunSeeker Dec 2016 #152

What was the quid pro quo? BainsBane Dec 2016 #154

in the courtroom of the election secret ballot NRQ891 Dec 2016 #155

That is not quid pro quo BainsBane Dec 2016 #156

'And appearances are absolutely not admissible in a court of law' NRQ891 Dec 2016 #157

Your defense for your blatantly false allegation BainsBane Dec 2016 #158

' And in the primary they voted for Hillary.' NRQ891 Dec 2016 #159

One does not' follow from the other BainsBane Dec 2016 #160

very true, on all counts heaven05 Dec 2016 #20

I couldn't have said it better. duffyduff Dec 2016 #22

Pure supposition. Just because people dislike a candidate doesn't mean it's because of gender. JudyM Dec 2016 #36

It is fact. Sorry. n/t duffyduff Dec 2016 #64

There may have been legitimate concerns, and gender had nothing to do with it. Ardent feminists JudyM Dec 2016 #70

I would argue that "ardent" feminists ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #87

Gender is not automatically a factor in someone not voting for a woman. Particularly so if the voter JudyM Dec 2016 #93

No, but dismissing sexist barriers is not the hallmark of an ardent feminist either. ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #102

No dismisssal, in fact there has been widespread acknowledgement of that general state of things, JudyM Dec 2016 #106

and yet a whole bunch of women voted against her. Ligyron Dec 2016 #117

You really want Bernie's supporters to leave the party? Shemp Howard Dec 2016 #37

This post is addressed to the memes. FFS, reading comprehension much? BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #44

You do make a good point here... Shemp Howard Dec 2016 #52

Agreed. nt BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #53

That's how the 'you' was intended melman Dec 2016 #82

yep, I have a major problem with Bobby's . . FairWinds Dec 2016 #139

Exactly right! I voted for the corporate candidate this time, but don't keep pushing me. MelissaB Dec 2016 #46

Hint: it was sexism ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #71

Please educate me hueymahl Dec 2016 #135

If Bernie supporters leave because they can't take criticism ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #60

There is a difference between criticism and insults. Shemp Howard Dec 2016 #76

There is plenty of blame to spread around ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #85

Yes. Leave. Indydem Dec 2016 #121

Exactly ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #38

HRC left the GOP at 19, Elizabeth Warren waited until her 40s. Who's the progressive icon? BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #47

Oh so many example of hypocrisy--so little time. ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #54

The endless criticism of her clothes mcar Dec 2016 #125

So Sanders supporters can be labeled as "pathetic" and "sexist," but Clinton supporters can't be? nt MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #40

I think you've got that right. MelissaB Dec 2016 #48

That's not even a real arguement. It's nothing but a poorly-constructed straw man. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #57

Who on the Sanders side said Hillary shouldn't run because she's a woman? liberalnarb Dec 2016 #107

Some could ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #65

K&R radical noodle Dec 2016 #45

So the GOP is a mirror to the DNC SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2016 #67

This OP is offensive and divisive. MelissaB Dec 2016 #68

Then trash it, instead of cutting-and-pasting the same reply over and over. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #74

LOL! I've been here a LONG time, dear. MelissaB Dec 2016 #75

Hmmm. ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #79

Hummm. You think I'm going somewhere? MelissaB Dec 2016 #80

No you reminded me of someone right there ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #81

Must be a really great poster MelissaB Dec 2016 #94

Hmm... TwilightZone Dec 2016 #100

That's the point. Rex Dec 2016 #110

I agree, it is offensive and divisive. Ligyron Dec 2016 #118

Way off base man! KPN Dec 2016 #78

Great post. Rec. nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #84

passive aggressive pasture puck.... mike_c Dec 2016 #89

I love the Hillary 'Deal with it'. gif in the OP NRQ891 Dec 2016 #120

She never said that, and no one ever claimed she said it. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #92

Misunderstand much!? Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #98

I think you misunderstood the intention of the OP with this post. StevieM Dec 2016 #126

Don't worry--- "SHE's GOT THIS!" BlueProgressive Dec 2016 #108

Woah! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #115

yep, a lot of dems bought the RW propaganda, or were flat out sexist. no surprise. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #116

K&R brer cat Dec 2016 #119

Bad memes, bad memes. azmom Dec 2016 #128

Not HRC, but someone with the gravitas of Donna Brazile acknowledged the "coronation" aikoaiko Dec 2016 #130

I think I'm in love . . . EffieBlack Dec 2016 #131

I have alerted the Mods on this post . . FairWinds Dec 2016 #134

Why would you alert his post? akbacchus_BC Dec 2016 #141

Dear AKB . . FairWinds Dec 2016 #162

ROFLMAO BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #146

k&r Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #136

These are BobbyClark's anti-Bernie smears from yesterday . . FairWinds Dec 2016 #137

It's "BobbyDrake," actually. But thanks for the bumps. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #147

Come on Mr. Babby, put up . . !! FairWinds Dec 2016 #161

Right there with you on this. JudyM Dec 2016 #163

Another free bump? Yes, please! BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #164

If you haven't figured it out yet for Babby, it's all about the attention. mac56 Dec 2016 #166

Gaff alert . . FairWinds Dec 2016 #138