2016 Postmortem

frazzled

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75. Because I do believe it is a male issue

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:56 PM

Nov 2016

And I tried to substantiate that for you with the facts about the three main candidates and their public relationship to the media.

If a woman candidate were to complain about her press coverage, she would be considered whining or shrill, or ungrateful. I might add that Obama never did it either, because if you are a black politician, you also can't do it without suffering repercussions.

Indeed, no politician (male or female) should themselves be derogating the media. Leave it to the analysts and the public to do that. Someone running for higher office treads a dangerous line when they start railing against the free press, whether rightfully or not. We don't like it when Trump does it, and I don't like it when Sanders does it. In the latter case, it is particularly unhappy, since it is treading over old water and is about him, not the country and what it will face now.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] G_j Nov 2016 OP

And Clinton wasn't being piped into every home either. boston bean Nov 2016 #1

Exactly bravenak Nov 2016 #3

It was 10::1 email bullshit vs policy. And of that policy, 8-10 bettyellen Nov 2016 #5

Whoever ran against Trump would have faced the most biased media ever rurallib Nov 2016 #9

That's the thing. I never seemed to see anything of Hillary. LisaM Nov 2016 #12

She did that to herself. 95% of her commercials were about how Trump was unqualified. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #39

I'm talking about media coverage, not commercials. LisaM Nov 2016 #45

Fair enough, but since the media wasn't being fair, why didn't she take advantage of her resources? MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #46

Thread's about media coverage of Dem Primary. Go start a thread about how bad HRC's GE ads were, it emulatorloo Nov 2016 #68

in certain states... berksdem Nov 2016 #76

Hillary did not want to be piped into everyone's homes Larkspur Nov 2016 #99

I am damn tired of hearing Bernie's whines about blackouts and other assorted bullshit bravenak Nov 2016 #2

His speeches were covered on cable news. in their entirety most times. He was on more news shows boston bean Nov 2016 #6

Everyday his ass was on my tv yelling and slamming the democratic party bravenak Nov 2016 #10

Right? ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #24

I have a good impression of him too bravenak Nov 2016 #26

Heh! ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #30

Yes he was, it was a very selective one that often came pre significant primaries and post victories JCanete Nov 2016 #29

Not according to this Harvard study. progressoid Nov 2016 #70

Yes, O Malley got the worst of it. A real shame. bettyellen Nov 2016 #8

I really liked him tol bravenak Nov 2016 #11

He still is awesome ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #25

I know I've made this point incessantly, but when he was campaigning in Seattle LisaM Nov 2016 #16

And it was the exact same speech everytime bravenak Nov 2016 #19

Gee I wonder why he has such crowds then eh? LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #91

They liked that speech. I wasn't in the crowd and would not have been bravenak Nov 2016 #112

They attracted the SAME people MFM008 Nov 2016 #62

I was at the Seattle and Portland rallies. He definitely hit on a lot NWCorona Nov 2016 #66

He has a book coming out. grossproffit Nov 2016 #38

Oh. Well, no wonder he cant stfu bravenak Nov 2016 #40

There definitely was a black out and I'm not a liberal white person. NWCorona Nov 2016 #44

Let It Go Bernie Me. Nov 2016 #4

Boo fucking hoo. BobbyDrake Nov 2016 #7

Yes, it was reported. And even as a Hillary supporter, it didn't change... moriah Nov 2016 #80

Last fall on ABC News Trump got 81 minutes of coverage. Bernie got 20 seconds..... think Nov 2016 #13

I think we can all agree they spent way too much time on Trump. LisaM Nov 2016 #17

.. Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #14

Looking at who controls the media in this country I'm not surprised at all. This country is going RKP5637 Nov 2016 #15

The damaged male ego frazzled Nov 2016 #18

I agree bravenak Nov 2016 #20

Because having separate messages for every demographic group worked for Hillary? MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #50

I disagree frazzled Nov 2016 #59

Pretty sexist statement there Frazzled hueymahl Nov 2016 #60

I am not particularly amused by your comment frazzled Nov 2016 #65

Nor was I amused by a sexist statement hueymahl Nov 2016 #67

Because I do believe it is a male issue frazzled Nov 2016 #75

Thanks for the explanation hueymahl Nov 2016 #77

He's not "doing" it because he's a man. He's "getting away with it" because he is. BobbyDrake Nov 2016 #85

I agree that Sanders is responsible for losing the primary election. David__77 Nov 2016 #90

Welcome to being a Democrat Bernie. We are already well aware of how the right wing media works. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #21

Don't bother with facts around here, G_j. elleng Nov 2016 #22

It was a big party and Bernie wasn't invited. He needed to kiss more corporate ass to get on TV. jalan48 Nov 2016 #23

The irony is that Bernie was also the beneficiary of the corporate media the same way R B Garr Nov 2016 #27

This .... BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #48

Deplorable. Beartracks Nov 2016 #28

Bernie gave the same speech for a year BeyondGeography Nov 2016 #31

I don't think he has much to complain about. LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #93

I agree BeyondGeography Nov 2016 #96

no wonder I rarely post here anymore G_j Nov 2016 #32

Don't go. progressoid Nov 2016 #74

thanks, I still lurk G_j Nov 2016 #81

Bye...nt SidDithers Nov 2016 #88

glad to see G_j Nov 2016 #92

He had the same speech over and over and over again. Nothing to report most of the time. Lil Missy Nov 2016 #33

here's a thought--run a candidate who is really media savvy. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #34

Yes. Though at what price? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #43

WHAT media blackout? DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #35

Be informed retrowire Nov 2016 #49

That was before the primary campaigns went into full gear and totally omits mention of Clinton.... bettyellen Nov 2016 #55

Oh no doubt she got more negative press retrowire Nov 2016 #84

Negative press might be better if it's repeating what you said - like they do for trump.... bettyellen Nov 2016 #111

Fairer coverage is nice and all retrowire Nov 2016 #113

Exactly n/t DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #109

the TEEVEE GNEWS MASSAGED the results of the election for MAXIMUM RATINGS PERIOD. pansypoo53219 Nov 2016 #36

the GOP is also the enemy, and yes, they are in league with the TV assholes Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #42

Bernie was and is on TV more than any other poltiician BainsBane Nov 2016 #37

Trump got 81 minutes of air time on ABC News compared to 20 seconds for Bernie last year think Nov 2016 #47

Pesky facts NWCorona Nov 2016 #51

If only they were facts. But they're not. George II Nov 2016 #97

What are the true numbers then? NWCorona Nov 2016 #101

I didn't post the original (unsourced!) numbers, perhaps you should ask Think? George II Nov 2016 #106

Excuse me? think Nov 2016 #107

ten minutes total? BainsBane Nov 2016 #54

Yes. He got 10 minutes total of prime time news coverage on the major networks, ABC, NBC, CBS. think Nov 2016 #57

Wow, I did not realize that hueymahl Nov 2016 #63

That isn't the primary BainsBane Nov 2016 #72

81 minutes compared to 20 seconds on ABC NEWS. Is it that hard to see the massive difference think Nov 2016 #82

The facts are you made false claims BainsBane Nov 2016 #95

Eichenwald blatantly omits the new exclusion rule which forbid candidates from being in non sanction think Nov 2016 #98

I'm still confused at the refusal tom_kelly Nov 2016 #100

Thank you. It baffles me also. /nt think Nov 2016 #102

Like the old saying goes, "Don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up!" jalan48 Nov 2016 #103

I stopped watching Rachel Maddow after the Michigan primary, where she essentially ignored his Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #41

When Trump first launched his campaign many in the media wanted to file it under "Entertainment". Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #52

Speaking from my own experience, BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #53

Luckily we don't need to rely on people's experiences. Kentonio Nov 2016 #56

Link to the study? Would love to read it. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #71

I believe this is it, G_j Nov 2016 #104

Thanks G_j, appreciate it! emulatorloo Nov 2016 #108

The media coverage of Bernie's campaign.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #58

The media wanted this ass wad MFM008 Nov 2016 #61

He is correct..and no neither was Clinton. INdemo Nov 2016 #64

There was more media coverage of Sanders than there was of Clinton. In fact prior to the convention George II Nov 2016 #69

Yes, for media, it was pretty much GOP Primary 24/7. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #73

He stuns rather easily. johnp3907 Nov 2016 #78

The corporate corrption is systemic wundermaus Nov 2016 #79

We had plenty of bernie and his bro's in the Democratic Primary... stonecutter357 Nov 2016 #83

And his sisters too, no? David__77 Nov 2016 #87

What's true is that Sanders lost the primary and Clinton lost the general election. David__77 Nov 2016 #86

He and Clinton have one thing in common. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2016 #89

I am tired of whining and tired of excuses! CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #94

Some "blackout." He was all over the place in the media. duffyduff Nov 2016 #105

I am so heartily sick and tired of this bullshit DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #110

I honestly don't get his appeal at this point. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #114