2016 Postmortem

DanTex

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394. The "both sides" argument is totally absurd.

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:31 PM

Nov 2016

The first thing you mention is financial corruption. Have you heard of Dodd Frank? Did you know it passed almost entirely on party lines? Tell me again how "both sides" are to blame.

Bernie didn't bring up any new issues that Democrats haven't already been fighting for for years. Big money in politics, Dems have been fighting. Financial regulation, Dems were there. Minimum wage, global warming, healthcare, education, go right down the list. Everything he talked about was just a repeat of all the same things that Obama has been fighting for while the GOP obstructed him.

Bernie had two "innovations." The first was to falsely blame the "establishment" for everything that was actually the GOP's fault. And the second was to "one up" Obama by taking all of Obama's ideas, push them a little farther, and then backstab the Democratic Party (the people who have been working hard to actually try and get things implemented) for not signing on to fantasy world where there is no such thing as congress.

The most ludicrous example of this was the $12 vs $15 minimum wage. The minimum wage is $7.25, and the only way that will change is if Dems win congress. Period. Talking about 12 vs 15 is like me deciding whether I should win 5 or 10 gold medals in the next Olympic games. They are just numbers with no connection to reality. I wish someone else would have come around and argued for a $20 minimum wage and then accused Bernie of being a "corporatist neoliberal" for only supporting $15, just to show how dumb it all was.

I'm not saying the Bernie is the only, or even the main reason Hillary lost. There are a lot of reasons. Most events have multiple causes. Bernie was one of them. Another was that Hillary had a lot of baggage, and didn't have the same ability to connect with voters as say Obama (or Bernie for that matter). And the emails, the FBI, the hacking. Also white racial resentment. And so on. It all played a role.

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How Bernie's campaign contributed to Trump's win. [View all] DanTex Nov 2016 OP

PREACH! *Raises hands*** You need a bajillion recs! JHan Nov 2016 #1

Yes! We want strong, effective, progressive institutions, pnwmom Nov 2016 #259

She had to run against both Trump and Sanders, sadly. LisaM Nov 2016 #2

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #204

And who would have been more "competent" in your eyes? Certainly not Sanders, he lost to her! George II Nov 2016 #244

That's how Democracy works. harun Nov 2016 #270

Its the nature of an "opponent" - to "oppose." Dr. Mullion Blasto Nov 2016 #304

I am not sure WHAT his intentions were but bravenak Nov 2016 #3

1000 sheshe2 Nov 2016 #11

I truly think he had no ill intentions. DanTex Nov 2016 #17

I think he knew way before he stopped bravenak Nov 2016 #20

The "young (white) lefties" dflprincess Nov 2016 #45

I've heard/read nobody anywhere say that they voted for Hillary because of Bernie. DanTex Nov 2016 #50

My local party unit has several new people involved dflprincess Nov 2016 #78

Interestingly enough, statistics don't support antidotal 'evidence'. nt arthritisR_US Nov 2016 #100

was that a play on words? NJCher Nov 2016 #123

A lame attempt ;) arthritisR_US Nov 2016 #130

Where? Amateur political blogs are the only places I've seen this. Exilednight Nov 2016 #180

We do know the DNC played a direct hand in his loss of the nomination. LS_Editor Nov 2016 #84

He actually did much more to lose than he is ever given credit for bravenak Nov 2016 #89

Actually, all we know is that VOTERS were the only players in his loss of the nomination. synergie Nov 2016 #131

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #151

Thank you, LS_Editor! appal_jack Nov 2016 #181

The willful delusion seems to be among those who were loudly proclaiming that synergie Nov 2016 #413

I wish Bernie supporters.. JHan Nov 2016 #228

Word Check This Out otohara Nov 2016 #353

Did he rejoin the Democratic party? Thought he was super happy to be and I? synergie Nov 2016 #414

And voters played into HRC's GE loss Larkspur Nov 2016 #208

I don't remember that... JHan Nov 2016 #222

They Were Before The Lefty Media Piled On Her otohara Nov 2016 #252

The voters who voted for her in historic numbers? synergie Nov 2016 #412

No the DNC did not..Bernie did not get enough votes. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #246

Isn't the point of the primary berksdem Nov 2016 #256

Agreed! If Bernie had run as an Independent both he and HRC would have been guaranteed to lose. Dustlawyer Nov 2016 #324

I agree. SpareribSP Nov 2016 #372

Exactly my point... berksdem Nov 2016 #377

You are spot ... berksdem Nov 2016 #374

I fully concur. Denis 11 Nov 2016 #343

This is not true mcar Nov 2016 #350

4 million? berksdem Nov 2016 #375

a bajillion!!!!!! eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #189

Do you know why this is complete bullshit? AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #264

The difference is that we usually have only Democrats in our primary. bravenak Nov 2016 #267

Ron Paul was a Libertarian that caucused with Republicans. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #272

I just dont like how he would not stop running even after he lost and called our party corrupt bravenak Nov 2016 #278

We (I say 'we' as a Bernie supporter at the time) were told the first week of the primary we had AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #288

He was told that he could not win after a week because of how he was running bravenak Nov 2016 #291

If I assume that ALL of that is entirely accurate and represents ALL or even most black democrats, AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #302

Nobody insisted he drop out until matcmatically eliminated. He decided to 'take it to the convention bravenak Nov 2016 #316

TONS of people, right here, demanded he drop out. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #320

The infighting was started when the supporters attacked BLM bravenak Nov 2016 #321

Disagree. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #328

Not with me bravenak Nov 2016 #333

The shame of it is that he didn't need to be perfect, he just needed to show up forjusticethunders Nov 2016 #409

I'm pretty much with you bravenak Nov 2016 #411

Plus 1,000,000 pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #361

Thanks for cutting through the BS LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #289

well said. here's a good article about this: ericson00 Nov 2016 #4

K&R CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #112

He contributed by not being selected VP; alienating Leftist-RWers, Indys, Never Trumps & some Progs. TheBlackAdder Nov 2016 #5

Kaine was such a bad choice. LS_Editor Nov 2016 #85

There was a nationwide collective gasp, followed by the question, "Who the fuck is Tim Kaine?" TheBlackAdder Nov 2016 #90

I thought Kaine a very odd choice. Maybe she thought she needed a saintly man to balance Bill. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #104

She wanted a moderate white male. That he spoke Spanish was a bonus. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #122

Picking a VP isn't about checking all the demographic boxes SticksnStones Nov 2016 #135

Patrick, Booker and Becerra are all qualified, just to name a few. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #224

personally... berksdem Nov 2016 #257

Very good point treestar Nov 2016 #6

Plus 1 n/t FSogol Nov 2016 #10

Bull Shit! Dustlawyer Nov 2016 #7

But his followers calied her a crook, made a big deal of emails, her Foundation, speeches, etc. Hoyt Nov 2016 #14

Bullshit! Weaver said Clinton made a "deal with the Devil". Bernie went scorched earth NY primary. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #19

Weaver couldn't have made Sanders do okasha Nov 2016 #68

... emulatorloo Nov 2016 #72

Very astute. Moral codes are our foundation and can't be manipulated by arthritisR_US Nov 2016 #105

I remember someone calling her a corporate whore radical noodle Nov 2016 #91

He did. SpareribSP Nov 2016 #371

A tweet is nice radical noodle Nov 2016 #383

That was Randi Rhodes. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #393

The one I was thinking of was at a rally radical noodle Nov 2016 #404

1 mountain grammy Nov 2016 #23

Sanders made NO personal attacks at all? REALLY?! ... ok.... uponit7771 Nov 2016 #145

YES! Duppers Nov 2016 #159

Am with you on this one. Bernie ran on the issues, not on personal attacks. secondwind Nov 2016 #168

Hear, hear! chwaliszewski Nov 2016 #170

colluded 406-Boz Nov 2016 #176

He accused her of being "part of he corrupt establishment" over and over again. pnwmom Nov 2016 #260

Totally Agree! abbeyco Nov 2016 #330

Thank you. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #391

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The caucus where I live was rigged for Bernie. DURHAM D Nov 2016 #18

There simply wasn't any real support for your candidate there. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #99

You don't have a single clue what you are talking about. DURHAM D Nov 2016 #110

Wrong. I was involved in one in Alaska. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #119

Take a look at Kurt Eichenwald's post-mortem. Bernie would have been slaughtered in GE emulatorloo Nov 2016 #21

1 Raine1967 Nov 2016 #25

The oppo on Trump was brutal. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #47

Eichenwald's opinion of why Bernie would have lost is the same rational for why he should have done aikoaiko Nov 2016 #74

Au contraire, HRC campaign treated him with kid gloves. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #77

I believe those wikileaks also showed that they feared going negative on Bernie. aikoaiko Nov 2016 #82

You're apparently predisposed to ascribe the worst motives to HRC. It is what it is. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #88

To say they held off on going fullout negative strategically is not ascribing the worst motives. aikoaiko Nov 2016 #97

It was more than a single debate. But after Weaver said HRC made a "deal with the Devil" emulatorloo Nov 2016 #237

I think the negativity started a week earlier when the HRC camp aikoaiko Nov 2016 #253

Huh? NWCorona Nov 2016 #169

Oh yeah kid gloves.. Kentonio Nov 2016 #197

Hillary did pretty well too world wide wally Nov 2016 #380

Depends on your definition of well. aikoaiko Nov 2016 #384

Excerpts from the article for those who don't want to go to the site. Fla Dem Nov 2016 #160

examples from this so called 2 foot folder... lame54 Nov 2016 #326

Once again, for the umpteenth time. ananda Nov 2016 #9

Lock Her Up started at Sanders Rallies otohara Nov 2016 #12

no. it was racism and russia/fbi JI7 Nov 2016 #13

That and more. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #69

K&R sheshe2 Nov 2016 #15

K&R SaschaHM Nov 2016 #16

Bullshit Stop it! mountain grammy Nov 2016 #22

Recommending this article emulatorloo Nov 2016 #27

EICHENWALD intentionally omits the new exclusivity clause by the DNC which made outside think Nov 2016 #41

Once again, there were 22 debates and forums, 14 w just Bernie and HRC. Versus 17 in 2008, emulatorloo Nov 2016 #48

Once again you ignore that we had 13 debates in the spring and summer of 2007 and ZERO in 2015 think Nov 2016 #54

Math is math. And "rigged" primary is conspiracy theory. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #56

Yep. 13 debates in the summer of 2007. ZERO in the summer of 2015. think Nov 2016 #57

I've read it and didn't agree mountain grammy Nov 2016 #42

Thanks for the link! I will check it out! emulatorloo Nov 2016 #43

I respect Kurt Eichenwald immensely mountain grammy Nov 2016 #150

Yeah, there's no difference between the parties at all :rolleyes: uponit7771 Nov 2016 #146

Uh, not really. progressoid Nov 2016 #24

Yes our side could have blamed the GOP more bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #26

That isn't convincing to me mythology Nov 2016 #28

Clinton campaigned much harder for Obama than Bernie did for her. LisaM Nov 2016 #40

Yes. This radical noodle Nov 2016 #93

To be fair, DNCleaks just dropped and DWS was in the process of being removed NWCorona Nov 2016 #171

We'll have to disagree here. LisaM Nov 2016 #186

He wasn't aware of the manipulation until the leaks NWCorona Nov 2016 #192

I meant manipulated by the timing. LisaM Nov 2016 #214

Here's a classic case of purity politics by the HRC camp Larkspur Nov 2016 #215

Yea! More astute analysis from Mr. "BLM are Evil Black Lesbians" emulatorloo Nov 2016 #239

Well said!!! NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #29

Clinton lost because she beat Bernie yet he was wrong for pointing out her weaknesses in the primary JoeOtterbein Nov 2016 #30

Bernie actually transformed Hillary into a STRONGER candidate, ie, a more progressive one... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #73

Had it been Bernie vs Trump in the GE... mwooldri Nov 2016 #31

Maybe we would. But Sanders didn't win the primary. DanTex Nov 2016 #34

Was there HDSam Nov 2016 #64

it was an anti-establishment election season shawn703 Nov 2016 #32

More like an anti-politician election season radical noodle Nov 2016 #95

totally agree with this ProfessorPlum Nov 2016 #195

Hey -- but it's a great way to rationalize a loss....... pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #357

Bernie talked about the economic system being rigged for Wall Street and the rich. jalan48 Nov 2016 #33

He was right about that. DanTex Nov 2016 #38

No, he wasn't wrong. The Republicans didn't do it alone they were too often aided and abetted TheKentuckian Nov 2016 #62

... and then he went after "Secretary Clinton's" speeches. Heard him do it with my own ears. ucrdem Nov 2016 #44

275,000 for 45 minutes. I bet that played well with working class folks trying to make ends meet jalan48 Nov 2016 #49

They voted for Hillary, but it played well with the Clinton-haters, yes. nt ucrdem Nov 2016 #51

Why does it need to be hate? She did it, own it. jalan48 Nov 2016 #53

working class voted for Hillary . JI7 Nov 2016 #63

Not all of it. jalan48 Nov 2016 #66

not all voted for trump either or even sanders. only reason working class for hillary is dismissed JI7 Nov 2016 #70

Question with your Hill bashing. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #94

Bashing? -I'm simply pointing out one reason why Hillary did not connect with working folks. jalan48 Nov 2016 #101

but she did, many voted for her. JI7 Nov 2016 #116

But yet they apparently loved the fact that Trump is very rich. LisaL Nov 2016 #117

He also accused the DNC of rigging elections for Hillary BainsBane Nov 2016 #263

Do you think Donna Brazile would have leaked a debate question to Bernie? jalan48 Nov 2016 #271

Brazile's behavior was unacceptable BainsBane Nov 2016 #276

Delusional is to think Clinton's former campaign chair was impartial as the head of the DNC. jalan48 Nov 2016 #285

Try to follow my point BainsBane Nov 2016 #287

You made a ridiculous point. I never said Brazile cost Bernie the primary. You said that. jalan48 Nov 2016 #292

Now we're back to blaming Bernie again??!! Apex812 Nov 2016 #35

No, Bernie was wrong when fighting against "the establishment". DanTex Nov 2016 #36

There's always two sides to things. Apex812 Nov 2016 #61

There is an establishment in both parties, and it is unpopular in both parties davidn3600 Nov 2016 #76

Do you know anything about your own party? ProfessorPlum Nov 2016 #200

Oh Jesus. In many ways both sides have insulated big money for decades. This is just a fact. JCanete Nov 2016 #388

The "both sides" argument is totally absurd. DanTex Nov 2016 #394

No they have not been fighting that. That is absurd. And I know very well there is JCanete Nov 2016 #395

Mostly a divide on social issues! LOL! DanTex Nov 2016 #397

oh really? Well thanks for clearing that up. I guess democrats AND republicans JCanete Nov 2016 #402

No politician is "squeaky clean" including Bernie Sanders. DanTex Nov 2016 #403

And we are going to be blaming SOMEONE... Raster Nov 2016 #273

Then When Hillary Won The Nomination She Should Have.... global1 Nov 2016 #37

But Trump was also running against the GOP.... truly it was a bizarre year, there's been nothing bettyellen Nov 2016 #65

Populism is a double edged sword. Lizz612 Nov 2016 #39

When do we see the "How Hillary's campaign contributed to Trump's win" thread? FBaggins Nov 2016 #46

SNAP! Raster Nov 2016 #311

I'll take Rivers in Egypt for 200, Alex. Jake Stern Nov 2016 #52

Hillary is to blame too. DanTex Nov 2016 #55

These folks are dying on the neoliberal hill and they will throw up any and all defenses to do so TheKentuckian Nov 2016 #71

Amen. dflprincess Nov 2016 #79

double amen! Raster Nov 2016 #275

Triple that! LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #294

even now, by using right wing concepts as "identity politics" robbedvoter Nov 2016 #58

This Is my biggest grievance with Bernie and his supporters La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #59

Bernie himself never said "identity politics." SpareribSP Nov 2016 #370

first off DonCoquixote Nov 2016 #60

Bernie is not a Democrat, never was, he claimed he was for a brief spell to try and hijack the Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #109

Bet you sure like that he has voted Democratic for decades Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #115

I never said a thing about who he caucused with Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #118

In the United States we build our coalitions before the election for president. Gore1FL Nov 2016 #247

I am well aware of that. Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #258

I must have misinterpreted post 109 then. Gore1FL Nov 2016 #296

Hence, the allegation that Sanders is not a Democrat is inaccurate... LanternWaste Nov 2016 #198

Then the DNC shouldn't have let him run as a Dem. NWCorona Nov 2016 #173

I agree with that. Need some sort of time rule. Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #177

He did no such thing. wundermaus Nov 2016 #67

More bullshit. Blamer crap. lonestarnot Nov 2016 #75

I expected nothing less. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #87

FACT: Democrats have collaborated with Republicans to get a lot of this stuff done. LS_Editor Nov 2016 #80

And the Establishment is the one with neoliberals and republicans that benefited from........ nolabels Nov 2016 #128

Those sentiments already existed and they were already directed at HRC aikoaiko Nov 2016 #81

Circular firing squad is so...typical. It's blame Bernie here, who's next? Anyone but FailureToCommunicate Nov 2016 #83

I also think Bernie hurt her. WhoWoodaKnew Nov 2016 #86

I would count this post as a trolling. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #92

Yeah, I would too... Raster Nov 2016 #274

Might as well toss this back.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #322

Ditto. NT pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #358

You're basically saying Bernie should never have run this year. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #96

1000 denvine Nov 2016 #98

a thousand more LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #297

Bernie had to run against the DNC, Hillary, monied interests, as well as the republican field. CentralMass Nov 2016 #102

K&R! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #103

The problem is capitalism. The Democrats are a pro-capitalist party. DemocraticWing Nov 2016 #106

Wake up, this is a captilist cournty - socialism does not rule here CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #113

No-one, least of all Bernie Sanders was calling for dismantling capitalism completely. Kentonio Nov 2016 #199

Capitalism is the problem. I see very few people, even on DU, that get this idea. Red Oak Nov 2016 #385

Obama never advocated for 15 min wage, single-payer healthcare, and did support TPP. Zen Democrat Nov 2016 #107

Then WTH did they vote for a rascist fool workinclasszero Nov 2016 #249

How Dare You Criticize St. Bernie! kebob Nov 2016 #108

Yes, and how dare you fail to criticize SHE WHO MUST BE ELECTED. Raster Nov 2016 #351

Bro? kebob Nov 2016 #356

Neither. Raster Nov 2016 #359

Great post Gothmog Nov 2016 #111

K&R! betsuni Nov 2016 #114

Face it. Bernie would not have won either. world wide wally Nov 2016 #120

Face it. We would have been better off with a Sanders loss than a Clinton loss. pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #360

Hlllary got more votes than Trump and also more than Bernie world wide wally Nov 2016 #362

I'm not surprised that you don't understand my position. pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #364

Oh, I do understand your position, but there are a few things you don't seem to understand world wide wally Nov 2016 #379

"Just because Republicans say she has all this "baggage" doesn't make it so." pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #382

DU rec... SidDithers Nov 2016 #121

Oh sorry, after handing the country to Trump you thought you could still control the party? Kentonio Nov 2016 #202

go back and review Bernie's history NJCher Nov 2016 #124

I agree, Bernie has been dishonestly attacking the Democratic party and drawing false DanTex Nov 2016 #138

And then they lost. Kentonio Nov 2016 #203

First lesson: no private email servers from now on. DanTex Nov 2016 #216

That's really not the lesson... Raster Nov 2016 #335

I'd say it's a pretty big lesson in this case. The emails and the media's obsession with them, DanTex Nov 2016 #339

Yes, and right from the start, friends, staffers and colleagues... Raster Nov 2016 #342

You mean Bernie? Yeah he lost. DanTex Dec 2016 #416

urm, I don't think so NJCher Nov 2016 #415

The fact is that Sanders pushed her to the RIGHT on trade and that killed her best attack ucrdem Nov 2016 #125

During the primaries, my German wife made an astute observation DFW Nov 2016 #126

It's not a mystery. Kentonio Nov 2016 #205

Maybe it was Lincoln Chafee's fault killbotfactory Nov 2016 #127

Kick... lamp_shade Nov 2016 #129

Hillary had to earn peoples votes. She failed. Period Arazi Nov 2016 #132

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Hillary had to win a large share of corporate backing and was on her way. nolabels Nov 2016 #134

Yes, she did fail. Bernie made her job harder though, with his dishonest primary DanTex Nov 2016 #139

"Dishonest primary"? That's a laugh. This was a change election Arazi Nov 2016 #140

It wasn't destined to be a "change" election any more than 2012. DanTex Nov 2016 #141

Yes it was. Obama ran on "Hope and Change" Arazi Nov 2016 #229

That was in 2008, when the economy had just collapsed. DanTex Nov 2016 #235

DU determined to ignore the concerns of the Rust Belt Arazi Nov 2016 #251

Sad........isn't it? pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #365

And you're still working to make Democrats think the enemy is Sanders and not the GOP. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2016 #178

Eichenwald was so right..... JTFrog Nov 2016 #191

A truly idiotic quote. Kentonio Nov 2016 #207

Lol, ok. nt JTFrog Nov 2016 #209

Not voting is as much a choice as pulling the lever for Hillary Arazi Nov 2016 #226

Continue to shame and demean the American public, let's see if that brings people into the fold SpareribSP Nov 2016 #376

OMG more Clinton Victimology quaker bill Nov 2016 #136

I agree, but Comey's stunt did the major damage. (eom) oasis Nov 2016 #137

Sour grapes panader0 Nov 2016 #142

The polls were wrong, as proved by Hillary losing. She was ahead in nearly all of them. grossproffit Nov 2016 #143

funny i thought the rule were not to speak ill of fellow dems and this is on the greatest list dembotoz Nov 2016 #144

"Things that Obama has been pushing for" awoke_in_2003 Nov 2016 #147

Yeap, which on the face of it was wrong but throw the baby out with the bath water and uponit7771 Nov 2016 #148

TPP is a notable exception. DanTex Nov 2016 #154

Thank you Coolest Ranger Nov 2016 #149

It's always somebody elses fault. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2016 #152

Tell me about it. The DNC, "neoliberals", "corporatists", DWS, Donna Brazile, superdelegates. DanTex Nov 2016 #155

Yes, and Hillary herself. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2016 #243

I think Bernie revealed more good traits in Hillary. raging moderate Nov 2016 #153

People felt that way about Hillary before they even knew who Bernie was.. vi5 Nov 2016 #156

I walked around not thinking that HRC was part of the establishment, but thinking she was brilliant Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #158

And this right here personifies what happened.... vi5 Nov 2016 #163

She was highly and widely admired before the elections! Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #164

Based on....a few polls? vi5 Nov 2016 #166

Her negatives were over 40% zipplewrath Nov 2016 #254

ooops-a-doodle... Raster Nov 2016 #352

What's your point? zipplewrath Nov 2016 #355

I completely agree. HRC was NOT a good candidate.... Raster Nov 2016 #363

Some people, but when she was SoS she had very high approval ratings. DanTex Nov 2016 #161

"low information lefties" vi5 Nov 2016 #165

It's an accurate description. DanTex Nov 2016 #172

He was right to criticize her for that. Kentonio Nov 2016 #213

Actually you're wrong about how the compromise on minimum wage worked out. DanTex Nov 2016 #230

Not to mention the boneheaded moves she made surrounding the whole transcript issue... TCJ70 Nov 2016 #174

Another problem was making it OK not to release TAXES! Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #157

Disagree. Weak, centrist DNC vs. "God"-supported Trump/Republicans. bekkilyn Nov 2016 #162

The talk of "weak centrism" is part of the problem. DanTex Nov 2016 #167

Chances are they wouldn't have voted for her anyway. They would have just stayed home. bekkilyn Nov 2016 #175

"whereas the actual blame lies with the GOP. " MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #179

Just another post blaming someone else for Hillary's poor campaign and message hueymahl Nov 2016 #182

Sec. Clinton could not handle competition in a populist environment Red Oak Nov 2016 #183

I can't believe how delusional you people are Not Sure Nov 2016 #184

I agree with every single point of your reply chwaliszewski Nov 2016 #190

That's exactly the kind of nonsense the Bernie campaign was peddling. DanTex Nov 2016 #193

DemocraticSolversUnderground.com is sorry to inform you..... nolabels Nov 2016 #210

Excellent post. Kentonio Nov 2016 #217

Excellent post x 1,000,000 TheCowsCameHome Nov 2016 #245

BRAVO!!! Raster Nov 2016 #286

It is kind of crazy, isn't it? Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #299

Bullshit is right!! Bernie is the only reason Hillary received as many votes as she got! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #301

Beautiful post. pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #366

The vast majority of Bernie supporters OnionPatch Nov 2016 #185

You said it! We need to unite around Bernie now more than ever! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #303

I call bullshit. She (or more accurately her campaign) could not beat the worst candidate Still In Wisconsin Nov 2016 #187

I said Bernie's campaign "contributed to" Trump's win. DanTex Nov 2016 #194

Precisely Sherman A1 Nov 2016 #255

Bobbled the ball is a perfect analogy. The R's nominating Trump was the eqivalent of Still In Wisconsin Nov 2016 #266

Thank You Sherman A1 Nov 2016 #295

My Republican DIL BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #188

You assume this driver wouldn't have been courted by Trump anyway. JCanete Nov 2016 #390

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #196

Yeah, I'm sore that Trump is president. I guess it doesn't bother you so much. DanTex Nov 2016 #201

Only sore losers keep blaming others for their lose when it is evident they lost on their own lack Larkspur Nov 2016 #212

There can be multiple causes for an event. Usually there are many. DanTex Nov 2016 #223

How we can avoid this in the future HassleCat Nov 2016 #206

Hopefully there is never a DNC designated candidate again. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #211

This isn't a serious response...is it? TCJ70 Nov 2016 #219

I was being sarcastic but... HassleCat Nov 2016 #236

It's tough to tell around here anymore... TCJ70 Nov 2016 #238

He was trying to win the nomination. NUFF SAID, unfortunately. MoonRiver Nov 2016 #218

And Hillary didn't run an incompetent campaign? PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2016 #220

Just came back today. klook Nov 2016 #221

It is just not true, as the OP claims . . FairWinds Nov 2016 #225

It also bothered me in a big way... TCJ70 Nov 2016 #227

Pure unadulterated bullshit! Laughable in its denial and scapegoating. KPN Nov 2016 #231

You bring up a few points. DanTex Nov 2016 #240

Wow... Do not have the energy for this! HenryWallace Nov 2016 #232

Exactly LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #306

K&R! stonecutter357 Nov 2016 #233

"Please Proceed, DanTex" -Trump and the GOP n/t yodermon Nov 2016 #234

was bernie heaven05 Nov 2016 #241

Of course it's not all Bernie's fault. It's not even mostly Bernie's fault. DanTex Nov 2016 #242

Sure, if you in turn also concede that the democrats being vulnerable to these attacks in the first JCanete Nov 2016 #392

Sorry I don't buy "blaming Bernie" meme jimlup Nov 2016 #248

Bernie's message would have sold like gangbusters with a President Mitt Romney or John McCain. forjusticethunders Nov 2016 #250

Disagree: It looks like this was in part an anti-establishment election year andym Nov 2016 #261

Oh good. While you're busy scapegoating Bernie, we can move on and lose the next election too. Yay. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #262

Exactly, because if we actually admitted that the DNC fucked this up, they would have a harder time Still In Wisconsin Nov 2016 #268

A recurring refrain I have heard on both sides of the political aisles is, 'no more aristocracies'. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #282

I wonder if she is already measuring for drapes in her Capital Hill office? Raster Nov 2016 #283

and the circular firing squad continues elmac Nov 2016 #265

and it is going to continue... Raster Nov 2016 #281

How many posts/threads predicted most of this years ago.... vi5 Nov 2016 #298

"Your concern is noted." Raster Nov 2016 #307

Ugh... vi5 Nov 2016 #347

Nothing was stopping Hillary from calling out the GOP. harun Nov 2016 #269

Except the immensely huge, powerful "Hate Hillary" industry... Raster Nov 2016 #279

She ran a losing campaign. Scruffy1 Nov 2016 #277

Bernie had been campaigning for Hillary IronLionZion Nov 2016 #280

Hillary lost because she was a poor candidate jman0war Nov 2016 #284

Yes, Bernie did contribute to a Trump win. lucca18 Nov 2016 #290

utter rubbish of the "I will never learn" variety.... mike_c Nov 2016 #293

Really? INdemo Nov 2016 #300

They will never leave Bernie Sanders out of this... Raster Nov 2016 #310

The primary hurt Hillary especially with young people. hrmjustin Nov 2016 #305

Never learn UT_democrat Nov 2016 #308

"He blamed it on "the establishment", whereas the actual blame lies with the GOP." LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #309

Obama's administration was well to the left of Bill Clinton's, so we can dispense with the silliness DanTex Nov 2016 #313

those glasses must be pretty thick LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #345

Are you seriously denying that Obama's administration was to the left of Bill's? DanTex Nov 2016 #378

I am saying that the parties leadership has shifted to the right....other than social positions LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #400

Umm, except that over the last 20 years, it has shifted left on economic issues. DanTex Nov 2016 #401

Ummm except no they haven't LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #405

Are you denying that Obama is to the left of Bill Clinton? DanTex Nov 2016 #406

"highly progressive on economic issues" LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #407

To me, regulating banks, extending healthcare to millions, DanTex Nov 2016 #408

Obama contributed to Trump's win. azmom Nov 2016 #312

Yes, Obama did contribute in some ways to Trump's win. DanTex Nov 2016 #314

I blame Beyonc! azmom Nov 2016 #315

how did HILLARY contribute to hetr own defeat? i knew it was off the tracks when she pick kaine. pansypoo53219 Nov 2016 #317

In lots of ways, but I don't think Kaine was one of them. DanTex Nov 2016 #318

Both Clinton and Sanders lost. David__77 Nov 2016 #319

No, it's just that Clinton is horrible at campaigning. That Guy 888 Nov 2016 #323

Apparently not as horrible as Bernie, who she beat by 10 points. DanTex Nov 2016 #325

What a conundrum, eh? HRC beat Sanders... Raster Nov 2016 #327

Polls showed Clinton beating Trump also. DanTex Nov 2016 #329

Hmm, how did that work out? Raster Nov 2016 #336

Not well, and there's no reason to believe Bernie's lead would have worked out any better. DanTex Nov 2016 #337

Yes, and Clinton couldn't make her case to the country. Raster Nov 2016 #338

might Bernie as the VP pick made a difference? NoMoreRepugs Nov 2016 #331

Absolutely! Two birds with one stone... Raster Nov 2016 #354

Issues where Bernie Sanders disagrees with Barack Obama Eric J in MN Nov 2016 #332

The only significant one is TPP. DanTex Nov 2016 #334

If a candidate in the Democratic presidential primaries were to Eric J in MN Nov 2016 #386

No Denis 11 Nov 2016 #340

Divisive horse manure. Oakenshield Nov 2016 #341

As another member said upthread........ pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #367

You fail to see the whole picture Sienna86 Nov 2016 #344

Can't wait 'til this primary is over so we can get on to the general election! Iggo Nov 2016 #346

Hillary and the 3rd way lost this themselves.. TheSocialDem Nov 2016 #348

Great OP anamnua Nov 2016 #349

It wasn't Bernie's campaign that contributed to Trump's win Martin Eden Nov 2016 #368

There's only one person to blame for this loss and that's the candidate. Exilednight Nov 2016 #369

This just sounds like another excuse for a weak and very disliked candidate. BigBoss26 Nov 2016 #373

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #381

Agree wholeheartedly: it certainly was a contributing factor frazzled Nov 2016 #387

His intention was for the Democrats to win. Your candidate won, therefore we didn't. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #389

What's that they say about "good intentions"? DanTex Nov 2016 #399

Baloney. The GOP may be the opposite of progressive... Orsino Nov 2016 #396

You're making the same mistake. DanTex Nov 2016 #398

I'd say 20% of the Establishment, the farseeing progressive part forjusticethunders Nov 2016 #410

Nope. Orsino Dec 2016 #418

The Dem party lost just as they have been losing in all other races ... cliffside Dec 2016 #417

Clinton won the popular vote, so she wasn't weak. The margin of people who voted R B Garr Dec 2016 #419

Great post. And it's seems now that Bernie is trying to take credit for R B Garr Dec 2016 #420