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Buckeye_Democrat

(15,044 posts)
44. I just think most people are self-centered.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 10:35 AM
Nov 2016

Republicans have pounced on it with their propaganda.

When people are making minimum wage, they've been told it's the fault of high corporate taxes used to support lazy people on welfare for example.

Look at the many examples of self-absorbed attitudes:
(1) Global warming? I'll keep driving my gas-guzzling HUGE truck because it's safer for me and my family if we're in an accident.
(2) Gun restrictions? So what if having more guns in our society is inherently dangerous? I'm a "responsible gun owner," so why shouldn't I own an assault rifle with a large clip? I won't mow down a bunch of people with it. I live in a rural area where I don't expect gun violence anyway. I'm looking after my own!
(3) Vaccinations? I've heard they MIGHT cause some health issues for me and my family. Never mind that diseases will become more widespread if everyone adopted this attitude. If other people want to be vaccinated or not own guns, then good for me!
(4) What's the problem with private schools? So what if pulling kids out of public schools hurts them? I'm looking after my own kids! Other parents should do the same!
(5) Too many people in the world? I'm making babies... and lots of them! Too bad!
(6) Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians killed during Bush's invasion? Oh, well. They look different anyway.

On and on.

I even see increased selfishness in more mundane ways. I decided to buy a burrito at Taco Bell the other day and got trapped (due to high curbs and other cars) behind some woman in the drive-through who must've ordered at least $70 worth of food. Instead of being conscientious by walking inside to place her order, allowing her to step aside as other customers were served, she chose the drive-through. Then after several bags of food were transferred through her car's window, she sat there for about two more minutes. I assumed that even more food was on the way. NOPE! She apparently decided to continue blocking the long line of cars behind her as she checked her bags to verify that she got everything. A decent person would have pulled into a nearby parking space to do that.

Is conservative propaganda to blame for these attitudes? Maybe. I'm not sure.

I'd really like to know HOW countries like Germany convince their citizenry to take fewer work hours to help keep employment high. Are they just more united as a people compared to people here, or do their liberal-minded politicians present a more convincing message that it's good for everyone? Another example is their universal healthcare. I heard several years ago on NPR that it's paid by a flat-rate income tax (I think around 8%) on everyone. 8% of zero is zero, so people with no income pay nothing. On the other hand, their most wealthy citizens pay a LOT. Can you imagine the arguments if we adopted something similar here? We'd have super-rich people, and their propagandists, arguing that it was UNFAIR for them to pay so much when there was little chance they'd ever get back what they paid into the system through healthcare benefits!

Democrats need to find a handful of issues and pound on it! hrmjustin Nov 2016 #1
We are 10 years behind on this... FarPoint Nov 2016 #2
Yes. It's the media. hadEnuf Nov 2016 #30
Best Comment of All McKim Nov 2016 #32
I agree-- and welcome to DU! Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #42
That's what make America so vulnerable to a third-rate annabanana Nov 2016 #3
It's not just America. It's a general human problem. DanTex Nov 2016 #5
This is the absolute truth! It is the Propaganda Campaign that has had control over us since The Wielding Truth Nov 2016 #4
Republicans own the media (tv and radio) SHRED Nov 2016 #6
Definition of propaganda frazzled Nov 2016 #7
That's pretty much what I'm saying, yes. DanTex Nov 2016 #12
YES, that definition, minus the "biased and misleading nature" part. yodermon Nov 2016 #18
So, yell the truth louder frazzled Nov 2016 #21
Yeah,"... gone down in flames." Rather like the Democratic Party did. Ligyron Nov 2016 #34
Please note that the definition says "especially," not "exclusively," Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #37
And we do a very good job of the positive type of purposeful persuasion frazzled Nov 2016 #43
Not sure why you're talking of "gnashing teeth with fiery bromides and exaggerated promises" Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #53
They've ignored Professor Lakoff's advice for years. elleng Nov 2016 #8
Yup. And I'm starting to think that Obama's political genius in a way had the unfortunate DanTex Nov 2016 #13
Yes, something like that. elleng Nov 2016 #17
Facts and figures... JSup Nov 2016 #9
Absolutely, although that isn't a popular opinion on here. Most think "being right" is enough... MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #10
Yes, politics is about perception not reality. radius777 Nov 2016 #11
Bill also had a real talent for simplifying difficult concepts Nevernose Nov 2016 #49
Yes. Being reasonable, knowledgeable and competent treestar Nov 2016 #14
I agree, we need to get better at "the game"... Raster Nov 2016 #15
Thought provoking RonniePudding Nov 2016 #16
I have a very high opinion of Obama as well. And I agree about the white patriarchy. DanTex Nov 2016 #19
The thing is, Obama actually got quite a bit done RonniePudding Nov 2016 #24
Yes, he did. His first two years were amazing. And even after, in the face of DanTex Nov 2016 #25
You say that once, and pundits will say "oh, no, that's out of line." yodermon Nov 2016 #20
Well, the biggest thing we need is a media platform. kydo Nov 2016 #22
100% correct. nt Maven Nov 2016 #23
I agree. Rational arguments do not win elections. They don't sell products. KittyWampus Nov 2016 #26
Yup. Rationality plays an alarmingly tiny role in human behavior. DanTex Nov 2016 #29
Add microtargeting to this. sfwriter Nov 2016 #27
Republican propaganda is all lies and smears Cary Nov 2016 #28
We need to jam their signal spirald Nov 2016 #31
We have to stand on principles instead of triangulation compromises bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #33
Won't work. DEMS CANNOT BE TOLD. Reps can. ffr Nov 2016 #35
I agree we need drastic improvemnt in framing, focused messaging and MEMES. Not propaganda. n/t Turn CO Blue Nov 2016 #36
For it to work you have to have leaders and spokespeople that the Exilednight Nov 2016 #38
Actually the David Brock Correct The Record propaganda turned many off jfern Nov 2016 #39
Actual voters don't care about David Brock. DanTex Nov 2016 #40
Enjoy losing then jfern Nov 2016 #41
There were no drunken hooligams throwing chairs Nevernose Nov 2016 #50
No one knows about David Brock, but his work on Anita Hill still resonates LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #48
Establishment isn't about how long you've been in DC. Hillary was obviously more establishment. jfern Nov 2016 #51
I just think most people are self-centered. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #44
I guess yelling louder does work frazzled Nov 2016 #45
Some things we're probably not willing to do... JSup Nov 2016 #46
Yep. Some will call 'em Trump Chumps, some will call them "alt right" some say neo-fascist LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #47
Absolutely this. alarimer Nov 2016 #52
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