2016 Postmortem

Kentonio

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25. Yes she lost.

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:00 AM

Nov 2016

It's not a contest based on the popular vote, so talking about number of votes is about as relevant as saying you didn't really lose a football game because your team touched the ball more.

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Did Hillary's VP pick cost her the election? [View all] Calculating Nov 2016 OP

YAWN........ Historic NY Nov 2016 #1

According to who, and why? Calculating Nov 2016 #10

He was fairly well known in Democratic circles. Historic NY Nov 2016 #18

maybe in the bubble, not so much in the real world. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #22

'YAWN' INDEED! BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #38

Ditto on the yawn. DU is in a paranoid holding pattern until the inauguration. Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #52

I know right? ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #68

Nope... Farmgirl1961 Nov 2016 #2

No. Tim Kaine was a good balance. AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #3

Not at all GP6971 Nov 2016 #4

if they didn't vote for Clinton they are not progressive . and no, Kaine was a great pick JI7 Nov 2016 #5

No. A DUer wrote: elleng Nov 2016 #6

She spent a lot of time and resources in Pennsylvania oberliner Nov 2016 #14

The polls coming out of WI were showing it was safe. LisaL Nov 2016 #43

Except the guy FROM WI, who won elections there before said he needed help Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #45

Right. Thanks. elleng Nov 2016 #58

I think the Clinton campaign was incredibly out of touch. Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #59

Yes, they were. I've posted an article about 'out of touch.' elleng Nov 2016 #62

It's depressing Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #64

Depressing to say the very least, Goblinmonger, elleng Nov 2016 #72

Robby Mook sure ain't no Carville! elleng Nov 2016 #73

Sounds like the DNC put too much money into the top of the ticket and not enough into the Senate. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #57

Of course she did. Her entire primary campaign was built on the southern firewall lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #60

Next... Zambero Nov 2016 #7

No. So we're supposed to capitulate to the NRA now too? emulatorloo Nov 2016 #8

It's about winning elections Calculating Nov 2016 #11

How about being right on an issue... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #54

No. Capitulation is what happens when you lose elections. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #61

It was only one of many mistakes she made, and it's really far down on the list. Exilednight Nov 2016 #9

there are multiple reasons why she "lost" despite winning by 2.3 million votes msongs Nov 2016 #12

Yes she lost. Kentonio Nov 2016 #25

She won Califonia by 4.4 million, and NY by 1.5 million. jmg257 Nov 2016 #48

Long lines in "certain places" and... pat_k Nov 2016 #13

Kaine was basically a non-factor - he was essentially a safe "do no harm" pick. Midwestern Democrat Nov 2016 #15

Surveys suggest overwhelming support for gun control. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #16

That must be why Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #37

The white wing racists gun humpers would have voted for Trump if Clinton had given them all Hoyt Nov 2016 #44

No. phleshdef Nov 2016 #17

Ah, No...... a kennedy Nov 2016 #19

Oh please... radical noodle Nov 2016 #20

It didn't help killbotfactory Nov 2016 #21

I'm so sorry you and others still think Warren is a liar. She TOLD anybody who asked that she ... Hekate Nov 2016 #24

Don't be silly.Hillary embraced Bernie's platform & melded it with her own.Kaine is absolutely solid Hekate Nov 2016 #23

Your candidate just handed the white house and the senate to Donald Trump. Kentonio Nov 2016 #26

Your candidate? MyNameGoesHere Nov 2016 #31

Primary candidate, not party nominee for goodness sake. Kentonio Nov 2016 #35

Who did you vote for might I ask. Did Bernie's endorsement of Russ Feingold and still_one Nov 2016 #34

Kaine solid? Let's ask DU's resident Sanders supporters... Bueller? Bueller? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #63

I would ascribe his still being a Senator to being mid-term in his own 6 year seat, plus being.... Hekate Nov 2016 #65

If there is 2020! There is going to be an unstable maniac at the helm montana_hazeleyes Nov 2016 #27

Even assuming that there isn't a nuclear conflict from these unstable people, the damage that still_one Nov 2016 #36

I don't think he hurt or helped. nt Raine Nov 2016 #28

No kebob Nov 2016 #29

no bernie cost her the election. stonecutter357 Nov 2016 #30

Did Bernie endorsing Russ Feingold and Zypher Teachout cost them the election? still_one Nov 2016 #32

No... Mike Nelson Nov 2016 #33

No...by the time the bitter divisive primary with no conceession was over the damage was done. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #39

That's one way to look at it. Exilednight Nov 2016 #69

There was a nationwide collective gasp, followed by the question, "Who the fuck is Tim Kaine?" TheBlackAdder Nov 2016 #40

Sadly, very sadly, I agree with your sentiments about the gun control cause. mtnsnake Nov 2016 #41

It didn't help. Vinca Nov 2016 #42

No mcar Nov 2016 #46

Certainly didn't help. Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #47

No. Orsino Nov 2016 #49

omg Dem2 Nov 2016 #50

No. eom saltpoint Nov 2016 #51

Tim Kaine was a great vp choice and gave Clinton Virginia Gothmog Nov 2016 #53

I can only speak for myself. Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #55

Tim Kaine is fine. raging moderate Nov 2016 #56

Kaine was a poor choice. It did nothing to engage Sanders supporters. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #67

No. Hillary lacks charisma. She is a natural introvert.... Gram Parsons Nov 2016 #66

I don't think anyone really noticed him. He's that kind of guy. jalan48 Nov 2016 #70

I don't think it cost her anything, but I also don't think it helped... TCJ70 Nov 2016 #71