2016 Postmortem

berksdem

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256. Isn't the point of the primary

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:19 PM

Nov 2016

to win? I understand that Hillary supporters are mad but my local Dem group was very much in support of Hillary after she won the primary - even though the majority voted for Bernie. Even after evidence that support the DNC was against Bernie.

I was downright sad and depressed that I was right about the Trump win. I wanted to be wrong but HRC's Team and faithful ignored the warnings. I have close friends that kept predicting a landslide win while I was trying so hard to make them understand why I thought Trump would/could win - I was ignored and told "not to worry." She was a flawed candidate and Trump spoke to the lowest common denominator as well as the blue collar middle class. Women ignored his lies! This is not about Bernie to me - it is about the failed campaign that was run and then ignorance of the DNC.

And now we pay for it...

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How Bernie's campaign contributed to Trump's win. [View all] DanTex Nov 2016 OP

PREACH! *Raises hands*** You need a bajillion recs! JHan Nov 2016 #1

Yes! We want strong, effective, progressive institutions, pnwmom Nov 2016 #259

She had to run against both Trump and Sanders, sadly. LisaM Nov 2016 #2

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #204

And who would have been more "competent" in your eyes? Certainly not Sanders, he lost to her! George II Nov 2016 #244

That's how Democracy works. harun Nov 2016 #270

Its the nature of an "opponent" - to "oppose." Dr. Mullion Blasto Nov 2016 #304

I am not sure WHAT his intentions were but bravenak Nov 2016 #3

1000 sheshe2 Nov 2016 #11

I truly think he had no ill intentions. DanTex Nov 2016 #17

I think he knew way before he stopped bravenak Nov 2016 #20

The "young (white) lefties" dflprincess Nov 2016 #45

I've heard/read nobody anywhere say that they voted for Hillary because of Bernie. DanTex Nov 2016 #50

My local party unit has several new people involved dflprincess Nov 2016 #78

Interestingly enough, statistics don't support antidotal 'evidence'. nt arthritisR_US Nov 2016 #100

was that a play on words? NJCher Nov 2016 #123

A lame attempt ;) arthritisR_US Nov 2016 #130

Where? Amateur political blogs are the only places I've seen this. Exilednight Nov 2016 #180

We do know the DNC played a direct hand in his loss of the nomination. LS_Editor Nov 2016 #84

He actually did much more to lose than he is ever given credit for bravenak Nov 2016 #89

Actually, all we know is that VOTERS were the only players in his loss of the nomination. synergie Nov 2016 #131

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Thank you, LS_Editor! appal_jack Nov 2016 #181

The willful delusion seems to be among those who were loudly proclaiming that synergie Nov 2016 #413

I wish Bernie supporters.. JHan Nov 2016 #228

Word Check This Out otohara Nov 2016 #353

Did he rejoin the Democratic party? Thought he was super happy to be and I? synergie Nov 2016 #414

And voters played into HRC's GE loss Larkspur Nov 2016 #208

I don't remember that... JHan Nov 2016 #222

They Were Before The Lefty Media Piled On Her otohara Nov 2016 #252

The voters who voted for her in historic numbers? synergie Nov 2016 #412

No the DNC did not..Bernie did not get enough votes. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #246

Isn't the point of the primary berksdem Nov 2016 #256

Agreed! If Bernie had run as an Independent both he and HRC would have been guaranteed to lose. Dustlawyer Nov 2016 #324

I agree. SpareribSP Nov 2016 #372

Exactly my point... berksdem Nov 2016 #377

You are spot ... berksdem Nov 2016 #374

I fully concur. Denis 11 Nov 2016 #343

This is not true mcar Nov 2016 #350

4 million? berksdem Nov 2016 #375

a bajillion!!!!!! eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #189

Do you know why this is complete bullshit? AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #264

The difference is that we usually have only Democrats in our primary. bravenak Nov 2016 #267

Ron Paul was a Libertarian that caucused with Republicans. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #272

I just dont like how he would not stop running even after he lost and called our party corrupt bravenak Nov 2016 #278

We (I say 'we' as a Bernie supporter at the time) were told the first week of the primary we had AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #288

He was told that he could not win after a week because of how he was running bravenak Nov 2016 #291

If I assume that ALL of that is entirely accurate and represents ALL or even most black democrats, AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #302

Nobody insisted he drop out until matcmatically eliminated. He decided to 'take it to the convention bravenak Nov 2016 #316

TONS of people, right here, demanded he drop out. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #320

The infighting was started when the supporters attacked BLM bravenak Nov 2016 #321

Disagree. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #328

Not with me bravenak Nov 2016 #333

The shame of it is that he didn't need to be perfect, he just needed to show up forjusticethunders Nov 2016 #409

I'm pretty much with you bravenak Nov 2016 #411

Plus 1,000,000 pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #361

Thanks for cutting through the BS LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #289

well said. here's a good article about this: ericson00 Nov 2016 #4

K&R CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #112

He contributed by not being selected VP; alienating Leftist-RWers, Indys, Never Trumps & some Progs. TheBlackAdder Nov 2016 #5

Kaine was such a bad choice. LS_Editor Nov 2016 #85

There was a nationwide collective gasp, followed by the question, "Who the fuck is Tim Kaine?" TheBlackAdder Nov 2016 #90

I thought Kaine a very odd choice. Maybe she thought she needed a saintly man to balance Bill. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #104

She wanted a moderate white male. That he spoke Spanish was a bonus. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #122

Picking a VP isn't about checking all the demographic boxes SticksnStones Nov 2016 #135

Patrick, Booker and Becerra are all qualified, just to name a few. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #224

personally... berksdem Nov 2016 #257

Very good point treestar Nov 2016 #6

Plus 1 n/t FSogol Nov 2016 #10

Bull Shit! Dustlawyer Nov 2016 #7

But his followers calied her a crook, made a big deal of emails, her Foundation, speeches, etc. Hoyt Nov 2016 #14

Bullshit! Weaver said Clinton made a "deal with the Devil". Bernie went scorched earth NY primary. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #19

Weaver couldn't have made Sanders do okasha Nov 2016 #68

... emulatorloo Nov 2016 #72

Very astute. Moral codes are our foundation and can't be manipulated by arthritisR_US Nov 2016 #105

I remember someone calling her a corporate whore radical noodle Nov 2016 #91

He did. SpareribSP Nov 2016 #371

A tweet is nice radical noodle Nov 2016 #383

That was Randi Rhodes. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #393

The one I was thinking of was at a rally radical noodle Nov 2016 #404

1 mountain grammy Nov 2016 #23

Sanders made NO personal attacks at all? REALLY?! ... ok.... uponit7771 Nov 2016 #145

YES! Duppers Nov 2016 #159

Am with you on this one. Bernie ran on the issues, not on personal attacks. secondwind Nov 2016 #168

Hear, hear! chwaliszewski Nov 2016 #170

colluded 406-Boz Nov 2016 #176

He accused her of being "part of he corrupt establishment" over and over again. pnwmom Nov 2016 #260

Totally Agree! abbeyco Nov 2016 #330

Thank you. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #391

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The caucus where I live was rigged for Bernie. DURHAM D Nov 2016 #18

There simply wasn't any real support for your candidate there. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #99

You don't have a single clue what you are talking about. DURHAM D Nov 2016 #110

Wrong. I was involved in one in Alaska. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #119

Take a look at Kurt Eichenwald's post-mortem. Bernie would have been slaughtered in GE emulatorloo Nov 2016 #21

1 Raine1967 Nov 2016 #25

The oppo on Trump was brutal. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #47

Eichenwald's opinion of why Bernie would have lost is the same rational for why he should have done aikoaiko Nov 2016 #74

Au contraire, HRC campaign treated him with kid gloves. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #77

I believe those wikileaks also showed that they feared going negative on Bernie. aikoaiko Nov 2016 #82

You're apparently predisposed to ascribe the worst motives to HRC. It is what it is. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #88

To say they held off on going fullout negative strategically is not ascribing the worst motives. aikoaiko Nov 2016 #97

It was more than a single debate. But after Weaver said HRC made a "deal with the Devil" emulatorloo Nov 2016 #237

I think the negativity started a week earlier when the HRC camp aikoaiko Nov 2016 #253

Huh? NWCorona Nov 2016 #169

Oh yeah kid gloves.. Kentonio Nov 2016 #197

Hillary did pretty well too world wide wally Nov 2016 #380

Depends on your definition of well. aikoaiko Nov 2016 #384

Excerpts from the article for those who don't want to go to the site. Fla Dem Nov 2016 #160

examples from this so called 2 foot folder... lame54 Nov 2016 #326

Once again, for the umpteenth time. ananda Nov 2016 #9

Lock Her Up started at Sanders Rallies otohara Nov 2016 #12

no. it was racism and russia/fbi JI7 Nov 2016 #13

That and more. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #69

K&R sheshe2 Nov 2016 #15

K&R SaschaHM Nov 2016 #16

Bullshit Stop it! mountain grammy Nov 2016 #22

Recommending this article emulatorloo Nov 2016 #27

EICHENWALD intentionally omits the new exclusivity clause by the DNC which made outside think Nov 2016 #41

Once again, there were 22 debates and forums, 14 w just Bernie and HRC. Versus 17 in 2008, emulatorloo Nov 2016 #48

Once again you ignore that we had 13 debates in the spring and summer of 2007 and ZERO in 2015 think Nov 2016 #54

Math is math. And "rigged" primary is conspiracy theory. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #56

Yep. 13 debates in the summer of 2007. ZERO in the summer of 2015. think Nov 2016 #57

I've read it and didn't agree mountain grammy Nov 2016 #42

Thanks for the link! I will check it out! emulatorloo Nov 2016 #43

I respect Kurt Eichenwald immensely mountain grammy Nov 2016 #150

Yeah, there's no difference between the parties at all :rolleyes: uponit7771 Nov 2016 #146

Uh, not really. progressoid Nov 2016 #24

Yes our side could have blamed the GOP more bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #26

That isn't convincing to me mythology Nov 2016 #28

Clinton campaigned much harder for Obama than Bernie did for her. LisaM Nov 2016 #40

Yes. This radical noodle Nov 2016 #93

To be fair, DNCleaks just dropped and DWS was in the process of being removed NWCorona Nov 2016 #171

We'll have to disagree here. LisaM Nov 2016 #186

He wasn't aware of the manipulation until the leaks NWCorona Nov 2016 #192

I meant manipulated by the timing. LisaM Nov 2016 #214

Here's a classic case of purity politics by the HRC camp Larkspur Nov 2016 #215

Yea! More astute analysis from Mr. "BLM are Evil Black Lesbians" emulatorloo Nov 2016 #239

Well said!!! NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #29

Clinton lost because she beat Bernie yet he was wrong for pointing out her weaknesses in the primary JoeOtterbein Nov 2016 #30

Bernie actually transformed Hillary into a STRONGER candidate, ie, a more progressive one... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #73

Had it been Bernie vs Trump in the GE... mwooldri Nov 2016 #31

Maybe we would. But Sanders didn't win the primary. DanTex Nov 2016 #34

Was there HDSam Nov 2016 #64

it was an anti-establishment election season shawn703 Nov 2016 #32

More like an anti-politician election season radical noodle Nov 2016 #95

totally agree with this ProfessorPlum Nov 2016 #195

Hey -- but it's a great way to rationalize a loss....... pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #357

Bernie talked about the economic system being rigged for Wall Street and the rich. jalan48 Nov 2016 #33

He was right about that. DanTex Nov 2016 #38

No, he wasn't wrong. The Republicans didn't do it alone they were too often aided and abetted TheKentuckian Nov 2016 #62

... and then he went after "Secretary Clinton's" speeches. Heard him do it with my own ears. ucrdem Nov 2016 #44

275,000 for 45 minutes. I bet that played well with working class folks trying to make ends meet jalan48 Nov 2016 #49

They voted for Hillary, but it played well with the Clinton-haters, yes. nt ucrdem Nov 2016 #51

Why does it need to be hate? She did it, own it. jalan48 Nov 2016 #53

working class voted for Hillary . JI7 Nov 2016 #63

Not all of it. jalan48 Nov 2016 #66

not all voted for trump either or even sanders. only reason working class for hillary is dismissed JI7 Nov 2016 #70

Question with your Hill bashing. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #94

Bashing? -I'm simply pointing out one reason why Hillary did not connect with working folks. jalan48 Nov 2016 #101

but she did, many voted for her. JI7 Nov 2016 #116

But yet they apparently loved the fact that Trump is very rich. LisaL Nov 2016 #117

He also accused the DNC of rigging elections for Hillary BainsBane Nov 2016 #263

Do you think Donna Brazile would have leaked a debate question to Bernie? jalan48 Nov 2016 #271

Brazile's behavior was unacceptable BainsBane Nov 2016 #276

Delusional is to think Clinton's former campaign chair was impartial as the head of the DNC. jalan48 Nov 2016 #285

Try to follow my point BainsBane Nov 2016 #287

You made a ridiculous point. I never said Brazile cost Bernie the primary. You said that. jalan48 Nov 2016 #292

Now we're back to blaming Bernie again??!! Apex812 Nov 2016 #35

No, Bernie was wrong when fighting against "the establishment". DanTex Nov 2016 #36

There's always two sides to things. Apex812 Nov 2016 #61

There is an establishment in both parties, and it is unpopular in both parties davidn3600 Nov 2016 #76

Do you know anything about your own party? ProfessorPlum Nov 2016 #200

Oh Jesus. In many ways both sides have insulated big money for decades. This is just a fact. JCanete Nov 2016 #388

The "both sides" argument is totally absurd. DanTex Nov 2016 #394

No they have not been fighting that. That is absurd. And I know very well there is JCanete Nov 2016 #395

Mostly a divide on social issues! LOL! DanTex Nov 2016 #397

oh really? Well thanks for clearing that up. I guess democrats AND republicans JCanete Nov 2016 #402

No politician is "squeaky clean" including Bernie Sanders. DanTex Nov 2016 #403

And we are going to be blaming SOMEONE... Raster Nov 2016 #273

Then When Hillary Won The Nomination She Should Have.... global1 Nov 2016 #37

But Trump was also running against the GOP.... truly it was a bizarre year, there's been nothing bettyellen Nov 2016 #65

Populism is a double edged sword. Lizz612 Nov 2016 #39

When do we see the "How Hillary's campaign contributed to Trump's win" thread? FBaggins Nov 2016 #46

SNAP! Raster Nov 2016 #311

I'll take Rivers in Egypt for 200, Alex. Jake Stern Nov 2016 #52

Hillary is to blame too. DanTex Nov 2016 #55

These folks are dying on the neoliberal hill and they will throw up any and all defenses to do so TheKentuckian Nov 2016 #71

Amen. dflprincess Nov 2016 #79

double amen! Raster Nov 2016 #275

Triple that! LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #294

even now, by using right wing concepts as "identity politics" robbedvoter Nov 2016 #58

This Is my biggest grievance with Bernie and his supporters La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #59

Bernie himself never said "identity politics." SpareribSP Nov 2016 #370

first off DonCoquixote Nov 2016 #60

Bernie is not a Democrat, never was, he claimed he was for a brief spell to try and hijack the Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #109

Bet you sure like that he has voted Democratic for decades Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #115

I never said a thing about who he caucused with Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #118

In the United States we build our coalitions before the election for president. Gore1FL Nov 2016 #247

I am well aware of that. Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #258

I must have misinterpreted post 109 then. Gore1FL Nov 2016 #296

Hence, the allegation that Sanders is not a Democrat is inaccurate... LanternWaste Nov 2016 #198

Then the DNC shouldn't have let him run as a Dem. NWCorona Nov 2016 #173

I agree with that. Need some sort of time rule. Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #177

He did no such thing. wundermaus Nov 2016 #67

More bullshit. Blamer crap. lonestarnot Nov 2016 #75

I expected nothing less. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #87

FACT: Democrats have collaborated with Republicans to get a lot of this stuff done. LS_Editor Nov 2016 #80

And the Establishment is the one with neoliberals and republicans that benefited from........ nolabels Nov 2016 #128

Those sentiments already existed and they were already directed at HRC aikoaiko Nov 2016 #81

Circular firing squad is so...typical. It's blame Bernie here, who's next? Anyone but FailureToCommunicate Nov 2016 #83

I also think Bernie hurt her. WhoWoodaKnew Nov 2016 #86

I would count this post as a trolling. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #92

Yeah, I would too... Raster Nov 2016 #274

Might as well toss this back.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #322

Ditto. NT pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #358

You're basically saying Bernie should never have run this year. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #96

1000 denvine Nov 2016 #98

a thousand more LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #297

Bernie had to run against the DNC, Hillary, monied interests, as well as the republican field. CentralMass Nov 2016 #102

K&R! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #103

The problem is capitalism. The Democrats are a pro-capitalist party. DemocraticWing Nov 2016 #106

Wake up, this is a captilist cournty - socialism does not rule here CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #113

No-one, least of all Bernie Sanders was calling for dismantling capitalism completely. Kentonio Nov 2016 #199

Capitalism is the problem. I see very few people, even on DU, that get this idea. Red Oak Nov 2016 #385

Obama never advocated for 15 min wage, single-payer healthcare, and did support TPP. Zen Democrat Nov 2016 #107

Then WTH did they vote for a rascist fool workinclasszero Nov 2016 #249

How Dare You Criticize St. Bernie! kebob Nov 2016 #108

Yes, and how dare you fail to criticize SHE WHO MUST BE ELECTED. Raster Nov 2016 #351

Bro? kebob Nov 2016 #356

Neither. Raster Nov 2016 #359

Great post Gothmog Nov 2016 #111

K&R! betsuni Nov 2016 #114

Face it. Bernie would not have won either. world wide wally Nov 2016 #120

Face it. We would have been better off with a Sanders loss than a Clinton loss. pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #360

Hlllary got more votes than Trump and also more than Bernie world wide wally Nov 2016 #362

I'm not surprised that you don't understand my position. pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #364

Oh, I do understand your position, but there are a few things you don't seem to understand world wide wally Nov 2016 #379

"Just because Republicans say she has all this "baggage" doesn't make it so." pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #382

DU rec... SidDithers Nov 2016 #121

Oh sorry, after handing the country to Trump you thought you could still control the party? Kentonio Nov 2016 #202

go back and review Bernie's history NJCher Nov 2016 #124

I agree, Bernie has been dishonestly attacking the Democratic party and drawing false DanTex Nov 2016 #138

And then they lost. Kentonio Nov 2016 #203

First lesson: no private email servers from now on. DanTex Nov 2016 #216

That's really not the lesson... Raster Nov 2016 #335

I'd say it's a pretty big lesson in this case. The emails and the media's obsession with them, DanTex Nov 2016 #339

Yes, and right from the start, friends, staffers and colleagues... Raster Nov 2016 #342

You mean Bernie? Yeah he lost. DanTex Dec 2016 #416

urm, I don't think so NJCher Nov 2016 #415

The fact is that Sanders pushed her to the RIGHT on trade and that killed her best attack ucrdem Nov 2016 #125

During the primaries, my German wife made an astute observation DFW Nov 2016 #126

It's not a mystery. Kentonio Nov 2016 #205

Maybe it was Lincoln Chafee's fault killbotfactory Nov 2016 #127

Kick... lamp_shade Nov 2016 #129

Hillary had to earn peoples votes. She failed. Period Arazi Nov 2016 #132

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Hillary had to win a large share of corporate backing and was on her way. nolabels Nov 2016 #134

Yes, she did fail. Bernie made her job harder though, with his dishonest primary DanTex Nov 2016 #139

"Dishonest primary"? That's a laugh. This was a change election Arazi Nov 2016 #140

It wasn't destined to be a "change" election any more than 2012. DanTex Nov 2016 #141

Yes it was. Obama ran on "Hope and Change" Arazi Nov 2016 #229

That was in 2008, when the economy had just collapsed. DanTex Nov 2016 #235

DU determined to ignore the concerns of the Rust Belt Arazi Nov 2016 #251

Sad........isn't it? pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #365

And you're still working to make Democrats think the enemy is Sanders and not the GOP. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2016 #178

Eichenwald was so right..... JTFrog Nov 2016 #191

A truly idiotic quote. Kentonio Nov 2016 #207

Lol, ok. nt JTFrog Nov 2016 #209

Not voting is as much a choice as pulling the lever for Hillary Arazi Nov 2016 #226

Continue to shame and demean the American public, let's see if that brings people into the fold SpareribSP Nov 2016 #376

OMG more Clinton Victimology quaker bill Nov 2016 #136

I agree, but Comey's stunt did the major damage. (eom) oasis Nov 2016 #137

Sour grapes panader0 Nov 2016 #142

The polls were wrong, as proved by Hillary losing. She was ahead in nearly all of them. grossproffit Nov 2016 #143

funny i thought the rule were not to speak ill of fellow dems and this is on the greatest list dembotoz Nov 2016 #144

"Things that Obama has been pushing for" awoke_in_2003 Nov 2016 #147

Yeap, which on the face of it was wrong but throw the baby out with the bath water and uponit7771 Nov 2016 #148

TPP is a notable exception. DanTex Nov 2016 #154

Thank you Coolest Ranger Nov 2016 #149

It's always somebody elses fault. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2016 #152

Tell me about it. The DNC, "neoliberals", "corporatists", DWS, Donna Brazile, superdelegates. DanTex Nov 2016 #155

Yes, and Hillary herself. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2016 #243

I think Bernie revealed more good traits in Hillary. raging moderate Nov 2016 #153

People felt that way about Hillary before they even knew who Bernie was.. vi5 Nov 2016 #156

I walked around not thinking that HRC was part of the establishment, but thinking she was brilliant Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #158

And this right here personifies what happened.... vi5 Nov 2016 #163

She was highly and widely admired before the elections! Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #164

Based on....a few polls? vi5 Nov 2016 #166

Her negatives were over 40% zipplewrath Nov 2016 #254

ooops-a-doodle... Raster Nov 2016 #352

What's your point? zipplewrath Nov 2016 #355

I completely agree. HRC was NOT a good candidate.... Raster Nov 2016 #363

Some people, but when she was SoS she had very high approval ratings. DanTex Nov 2016 #161

"low information lefties" vi5 Nov 2016 #165

It's an accurate description. DanTex Nov 2016 #172

He was right to criticize her for that. Kentonio Nov 2016 #213

Actually you're wrong about how the compromise on minimum wage worked out. DanTex Nov 2016 #230

Not to mention the boneheaded moves she made surrounding the whole transcript issue... TCJ70 Nov 2016 #174

Another problem was making it OK not to release TAXES! Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #157

Disagree. Weak, centrist DNC vs. "God"-supported Trump/Republicans. bekkilyn Nov 2016 #162

The talk of "weak centrism" is part of the problem. DanTex Nov 2016 #167

Chances are they wouldn't have voted for her anyway. They would have just stayed home. bekkilyn Nov 2016 #175

"whereas the actual blame lies with the GOP. " MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #179

Just another post blaming someone else for Hillary's poor campaign and message hueymahl Nov 2016 #182

Sec. Clinton could not handle competition in a populist environment Red Oak Nov 2016 #183

I can't believe how delusional you people are Not Sure Nov 2016 #184

I agree with every single point of your reply chwaliszewski Nov 2016 #190

That's exactly the kind of nonsense the Bernie campaign was peddling. DanTex Nov 2016 #193

DemocraticSolversUnderground.com is sorry to inform you..... nolabels Nov 2016 #210

Excellent post. Kentonio Nov 2016 #217

Excellent post x 1,000,000 TheCowsCameHome Nov 2016 #245

BRAVO!!! Raster Nov 2016 #286

It is kind of crazy, isn't it? Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #299

Bullshit is right!! Bernie is the only reason Hillary received as many votes as she got! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #301

Beautiful post. pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #366

The vast majority of Bernie supporters OnionPatch Nov 2016 #185

You said it! We need to unite around Bernie now more than ever! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #303

I call bullshit. She (or more accurately her campaign) could not beat the worst candidate Still In Wisconsin Nov 2016 #187

I said Bernie's campaign "contributed to" Trump's win. DanTex Nov 2016 #194

Precisely Sherman A1 Nov 2016 #255

Bobbled the ball is a perfect analogy. The R's nominating Trump was the eqivalent of Still In Wisconsin Nov 2016 #266

Thank You Sherman A1 Nov 2016 #295

My Republican DIL BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #188

You assume this driver wouldn't have been courted by Trump anyway. JCanete Nov 2016 #390

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #196

Yeah, I'm sore that Trump is president. I guess it doesn't bother you so much. DanTex Nov 2016 #201

Only sore losers keep blaming others for their lose when it is evident they lost on their own lack Larkspur Nov 2016 #212

There can be multiple causes for an event. Usually there are many. DanTex Nov 2016 #223

How we can avoid this in the future HassleCat Nov 2016 #206

Hopefully there is never a DNC designated candidate again. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #211

This isn't a serious response...is it? TCJ70 Nov 2016 #219

I was being sarcastic but... HassleCat Nov 2016 #236

It's tough to tell around here anymore... TCJ70 Nov 2016 #238

He was trying to win the nomination. NUFF SAID, unfortunately. MoonRiver Nov 2016 #218

And Hillary didn't run an incompetent campaign? PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2016 #220

Just came back today. klook Nov 2016 #221

It is just not true, as the OP claims . . FairWinds Nov 2016 #225

It also bothered me in a big way... TCJ70 Nov 2016 #227

Pure unadulterated bullshit! Laughable in its denial and scapegoating. KPN Nov 2016 #231

You bring up a few points. DanTex Nov 2016 #240

Wow... Do not have the energy for this! HenryWallace Nov 2016 #232

Exactly LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #306

K&R! stonecutter357 Nov 2016 #233

"Please Proceed, DanTex" -Trump and the GOP n/t yodermon Nov 2016 #234

was bernie heaven05 Nov 2016 #241

Of course it's not all Bernie's fault. It's not even mostly Bernie's fault. DanTex Nov 2016 #242

Sure, if you in turn also concede that the democrats being vulnerable to these attacks in the first JCanete Nov 2016 #392

Sorry I don't buy "blaming Bernie" meme jimlup Nov 2016 #248

Bernie's message would have sold like gangbusters with a President Mitt Romney or John McCain. forjusticethunders Nov 2016 #250

Disagree: It looks like this was in part an anti-establishment election year andym Nov 2016 #261

Oh good. While you're busy scapegoating Bernie, we can move on and lose the next election too. Yay. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #262

Exactly, because if we actually admitted that the DNC fucked this up, they would have a harder time Still In Wisconsin Nov 2016 #268

A recurring refrain I have heard on both sides of the political aisles is, 'no more aristocracies'. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #282

I wonder if she is already measuring for drapes in her Capital Hill office? Raster Nov 2016 #283

and the circular firing squad continues elmac Nov 2016 #265

and it is going to continue... Raster Nov 2016 #281

How many posts/threads predicted most of this years ago.... vi5 Nov 2016 #298

"Your concern is noted." Raster Nov 2016 #307

Ugh... vi5 Nov 2016 #347

Nothing was stopping Hillary from calling out the GOP. harun Nov 2016 #269

Except the immensely huge, powerful "Hate Hillary" industry... Raster Nov 2016 #279

She ran a losing campaign. Scruffy1 Nov 2016 #277

Bernie had been campaigning for Hillary IronLionZion Nov 2016 #280

Hillary lost because she was a poor candidate jman0war Nov 2016 #284

Yes, Bernie did contribute to a Trump win. lucca18 Nov 2016 #290

utter rubbish of the "I will never learn" variety.... mike_c Nov 2016 #293

Really? INdemo Nov 2016 #300

They will never leave Bernie Sanders out of this... Raster Nov 2016 #310

The primary hurt Hillary especially with young people. hrmjustin Nov 2016 #305

Never learn UT_democrat Nov 2016 #308

"He blamed it on "the establishment", whereas the actual blame lies with the GOP." LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #309

Obama's administration was well to the left of Bill Clinton's, so we can dispense with the silliness DanTex Nov 2016 #313

those glasses must be pretty thick LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #345

Are you seriously denying that Obama's administration was to the left of Bill's? DanTex Nov 2016 #378

I am saying that the parties leadership has shifted to the right....other than social positions LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #400

Umm, except that over the last 20 years, it has shifted left on economic issues. DanTex Nov 2016 #401

Ummm except no they haven't LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #405

Are you denying that Obama is to the left of Bill Clinton? DanTex Nov 2016 #406

"highly progressive on economic issues" LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #407

To me, regulating banks, extending healthcare to millions, DanTex Nov 2016 #408

Obama contributed to Trump's win. azmom Nov 2016 #312

Yes, Obama did contribute in some ways to Trump's win. DanTex Nov 2016 #314

I blame Beyonc! azmom Nov 2016 #315

how did HILLARY contribute to hetr own defeat? i knew it was off the tracks when she pick kaine. pansypoo53219 Nov 2016 #317

In lots of ways, but I don't think Kaine was one of them. DanTex Nov 2016 #318

Both Clinton and Sanders lost. David__77 Nov 2016 #319

No, it's just that Clinton is horrible at campaigning. That Guy 888 Nov 2016 #323

Apparently not as horrible as Bernie, who she beat by 10 points. DanTex Nov 2016 #325

What a conundrum, eh? HRC beat Sanders... Raster Nov 2016 #327

Polls showed Clinton beating Trump also. DanTex Nov 2016 #329

Hmm, how did that work out? Raster Nov 2016 #336

Not well, and there's no reason to believe Bernie's lead would have worked out any better. DanTex Nov 2016 #337

Yes, and Clinton couldn't make her case to the country. Raster Nov 2016 #338

might Bernie as the VP pick made a difference? NoMoreRepugs Nov 2016 #331

Absolutely! Two birds with one stone... Raster Nov 2016 #354

Issues where Bernie Sanders disagrees with Barack Obama Eric J in MN Nov 2016 #332

The only significant one is TPP. DanTex Nov 2016 #334

If a candidate in the Democratic presidential primaries were to Eric J in MN Nov 2016 #386

No Denis 11 Nov 2016 #340

Divisive horse manure. Oakenshield Nov 2016 #341

As another member said upthread........ pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #367

You fail to see the whole picture Sienna86 Nov 2016 #344

Can't wait 'til this primary is over so we can get on to the general election! Iggo Nov 2016 #346

Hillary and the 3rd way lost this themselves.. TheSocialDem Nov 2016 #348

Great OP anamnua Nov 2016 #349

It wasn't Bernie's campaign that contributed to Trump's win Martin Eden Nov 2016 #368

There's only one person to blame for this loss and that's the candidate. Exilednight Nov 2016 #369

This just sounds like another excuse for a weak and very disliked candidate. BigBoss26 Nov 2016 #373

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Agree wholeheartedly: it certainly was a contributing factor frazzled Nov 2016 #387

His intention was for the Democrats to win. Your candidate won, therefore we didn't. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #389

What's that they say about "good intentions"? DanTex Nov 2016 #399

Baloney. The GOP may be the opposite of progressive... Orsino Nov 2016 #396

You're making the same mistake. DanTex Nov 2016 #398

I'd say 20% of the Establishment, the farseeing progressive part forjusticethunders Nov 2016 #410

Nope. Orsino Dec 2016 #418

The Dem party lost just as they have been losing in all other races ... cliffside Dec 2016 #417

Clinton won the popular vote, so she wasn't weak. The margin of people who voted R B Garr Dec 2016 #419

Great post. And it's seems now that Bernie is trying to take credit for R B Garr Dec 2016 #420