2016 Postmortem

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68. His visit with the pope...

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Sat Nov 26, 2016, 01:49 PM

Nov 2016

Was clearly against campaign finance laws.

Bernie would not have done any better.

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If you fought against Hillary Clinton after the Democratic convention, [View all] MineralMan Nov 2016 OP

I strongly disagree with any Democrat who fought against Hillary after the convention mtnsnake Nov 2016 #1

Each person will do as he or she thinks best, I'm sure. MineralMan Nov 2016 #2

Each person that didn't vote for Hillary: helped put a fascist in office: Just like Nader lewebley3 Nov 2016 #79

Actually is wasn't Nader, it was the 308,000 Florida Dems who voted Bush Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #114

It was Nader and the SCOTUS Raastan Nov 2016 #119

Each one of those voters controlled only one vote -- their own. pnwmom Nov 2016 #149

No doubt, but as a reluctant supporter of Hillary - but supporter nonetheless - after she won the nomination, I don't think it's a good idea to alienate those who may not have done so... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #129

I will join the OP in remembering. musicblind Nov 2016 #83

this post is way out there. Calling people monsters who do vote on principle, like JCanete Nov 2016 #89

Yeah it is OTT. OTOH they had an opportunity to vote for the only candidate who could stop Trump. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #96

Tell that to all the undocumented minorities whose parents brought them to the US as babies NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #97

by that logic, tell anybody from Iraq that the people who voted for Hillary, including myself, JCanete Nov 2016 #98

By your logic every person who did NOT vote for Hillary is responsible for the dead kids in Aleppo NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #100

so we're on the on the same page. Calling people monsters for voting their conscience, no matter how JCanete Nov 2016 #101

I didn't call anyone monsters...but the BOBs and Stein voters may as well have voted for Trump IMO NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #102

and with that kind of break-down, we can most certainly never come back from it. JCanete Nov 2016 #106

You should not assume things... NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #107

Let me make it clear because you're right about one thing, I was not sensitive to JCanete Nov 2016 #109

I think what many people fail to understand is that Trump being elected genuinely HURTS many people NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #111

Well take me. I did vote for Hillary. But actually count me as someone JCanete Nov 2016 #113

I'm just frustrated with people on here claiming Bernie would have won when he would NOT have NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #120

I will admit that my post was harsh and that I could have said that in a better way. musicblind Nov 2016 #117

Thanks for your reply, and I feel like I've been unfairly demanding of a lot of people who are JCanete Nov 2016 #118

Very well said NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #121

Besides, blaming Nader defies the evidence. alarimer Nov 2016 #138

Please give up the Nader denialism. It's amazing that Nader supporters redstateblues Nov 2016 #178

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #3

And if you think Bernie wasn't a weak general election candidate, I have a nice bridge for sale. LisaL Nov 2016 #4

All polls showed Bernie was easily the strongest candidate from either party. cpwm17 Nov 2016 #5

Yeah! Polls! LOL! Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #9

Hillary was the weakest among the Democrats, according to the polls. cpwm17 Nov 2016 #18

Polls again!? Polls the wiener of 2016!!! Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #25

All the polls I saw showed Hillary winning right up to election day world wide wally Nov 2016 #50

You can't base it on polls that don't reflect the opposition they had against him for fuck's sake. JTFrog Nov 2016 #12

His visit with the pope... Blanks Nov 2016 #68

Essay Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #104

You are just making Eichenwald's point. JTFrog Nov 2016 #108

Explanation Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #110

oops, wrong place JCanete Nov 2016 #115

well in a season of "grab them by the pussy", at worst an essay would have been a wash. JCanete Nov 2016 #116

Bernie could never win because he's too far left for moderate Independents NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #13

Because all those PoC that rejected Bernie... SaschaHM Nov 2016 #15

Unvetted Bernie perhaps mcar Nov 2016 #37

For Someone Who Was Never Properly Vetted otohara Nov 2016 #74

That must be why he won then . . . oh wait . . . Maru Kitteh Nov 2016 #93

Take a look at Kurt Eichenwald's postmortem when you get a chance emulatorloo Nov 2016 #99

Eichenwald dispelled this myth BainsBane Nov 2016 #150

Those polls were way beyond the margin of error, too. JudyM Nov 2016 #174

Yes. He was a weak primary candidate too--he lost by millions of votes, and many states he "won" MADem Nov 2016 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author INdemo Nov 2016 #184

I'm not addressing the primary race at all. MineralMan Nov 2016 #7

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Hmm...perhaps. MineralMan Nov 2016 #20

Nope, ain't gonna work dude. lapucelle Nov 2016 #42

We have enough problems with the right calling progressives communists, to also Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #6

The problems we WILL have will be with an unqualified Republican MineralMan Nov 2016 #8

My mistake. Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #10

Read my words. I used the words "fought against," MineralMan Nov 2016 #11

Does the difference between forget and forgive really matter? Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #14

There is an enormous difference in meaning between those MineralMan Nov 2016 #16

You have a right to your opinions. Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #19

I've been aware of the Green Party for decades now. MineralMan Nov 2016 #21

Maybe Stein is looking back at history and realizing that Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #24

My concern for Jill Stein runs about one molecule deep. MineralMan Nov 2016 #27

The Green Party comes around every 4 years and has cost the Democrats the presidential asuhornets Nov 2016 #35

The saddest part of the "Nader effect" is that is also soils Bernie Sanders NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #55

I am right there with you radical noodle Nov 2016 #65

And I stated them carefully and seriously. MineralMan Nov 2016 #22

Make a difference? heaven05 Nov 2016 #54

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I guess Bye? Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #26

Shoot. I missed it... MineralMan Nov 2016 #28

She will garner more than 3 million votes more than Trump. Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #29

I think 2 million of us in heavily Dems States should spread to the Red States Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #32

Wake up call. Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #34

K&R stonecutter357 Nov 2016 #30

Yes, they can't be trusted and if they didn't vote for Hillary they are not welcome here. n/t seaglass Nov 2016 #33

Short-sighted and foolish... sfwriter Nov 2016 #105

Take it up with Skinner - the price of admission to DU is a vote for Hillary or support for her seaglass Nov 2016 #169

Right there with you MM mcar Nov 2016 #36

The problem does not sit with those who actively fought against Clinton. Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #38

I disagree. Those who actively fought influenced others as well. MineralMan Nov 2016 #39

There's more worth remembering that just that FBaggins Nov 2016 #40

Nonsense. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #43

Welcome to DU! FBaggins Nov 2016 #49

Not new but you know that... Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #125

Of course... and YOU knew that FBaggins Nov 2016 #136

They had a vote just like the rest of us and once the primary was over and he lost by millions of Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #159

The primary is over Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #127

The election is over too. We lost. FBaggins Nov 2016 #137

I'm so tired of the idea that the primary caused the loss. alarimer Nov 2016 #140

How would we exempt the primary process from evaluating why we lost? FBaggins Nov 2016 #144

You don't get to decide who calls the shots...we all decide. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #158

That's just amusing Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #58

The only people I saw told were not needed were those reposting RW trash against HRC....the ethics bettyellen Nov 2016 #80

Not what I saw or experienced Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #84

And that is worth remembering! KPN Nov 2016 #45

Agreed 100% Arazi Nov 2016 #61

Took 8 weeks and 3 days after the nomination was won... joshcryer Nov 2016 #156

Damned right. JudyM Nov 2016 #175

Yup. ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #41

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #44

Nope, wrong heaven05 Nov 2016 #47

Hillary lost by less than 1 point across three states that mattered. LisaL Nov 2016 #48

Guessing doesn't make it true. George Eliot Nov 2016 #51

Guessing that Bernie would have won doesn't make it true either. LisaL Nov 2016 #53

Ah... but his supporters don't have to "delude themselves"... FBaggins Nov 2016 #63

We're well past the point where thwarted entitlement couched as righteous indignation lapucelle Nov 2016 #64

Rofl! Let me see if I've got this straight FBaggins Nov 2016 #71

Sorry, darlin, but I don't live in the simplistic world of false dichotomy lapucelle Nov 2016 #76

Laughter is the only appropriate response to such nonsense. FBaggins Nov 2016 #78

Sanders primary voters voted for Clinton in the general election.. aidbo Nov 2016 #82

This chart doesn't represent votes cast on election day. lapucelle Nov 2016 #87

Nope. ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #59

Actually, no. Had I voted for Sanders, he still wouldn't have gotten MineralMan Nov 2016 #66

Because he would win PA and VA, two states that he lost in the primary? SaschaHM Nov 2016 #75

great post heaven05 Nov 2016 #46

Thank you and I'm glad you have that good memory treestar Nov 2016 #52

I did and held my nose Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #56

Not worth it HassleCat Nov 2016 #57

It won't come up unless those who voted and worked against Clinton MineralMan Nov 2016 #67

Going to be some "told you so!" HassleCat Nov 2016 #81

first of all, do you think anybody on this site thought Trump was going to do good things in office JCanete Nov 2016 #94

KnR Hekate Nov 2016 #60

The Bernie fanatics will have blood on their hands. liquid diamond Nov 2016 #62

They have no conscience. musicblind Nov 2016 #86

And I'll remember all those who said that Hillary couldn't lose. She's the strongest candidate to Exilednight Nov 2016 #69

I think it was said she was the "most qualified candidate", in fact she was the most qualified, Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #72

People on this very board, the OP included, stated in former posts that she was the strongest Exilednight Nov 2016 #73

Which candidate was more qualified? Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #112

Defined "most qualified". I find it to be a subjective term. Exilednight Nov 2016 #139

I got your point, being the most qualified candidate is not a Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #143

It is subjective. Just because someone held a job, it doesn't mean they're qualified. Exilednight Nov 2016 #145

Likewise, Sanders has been in Congress for twenty five years, he is not ranked at the top Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #154

I agree, that ranking you posted is subjective. Exilednight Nov 2016 #157

What did you find Sanders was ranked? Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #161

Depends on your point of view. Exilednight Nov 2016 #162

No, you can't blame his ratings on a Republican Congress, there were other members Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #163

Like I said, Republican controlled Congress. Exilednight Nov 2016 #164

Okay, Sanders performed lower in a Republican than other Democrats. Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #165

Based on whose criteria? it's all subjective. Exilednight Nov 2016 #166

I have provided you the link already. Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #167

A link that proves nothing about someone qualifications. It's just a study to be used to form an Exilednight Nov 2016 #168

No, this link is based on facts, you have only provided your opinion. Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #170

It's a study, nothing more. it offers no actual conclusions that determines a person's qualification Exilednight Nov 2016 #171

For me it is quiet ample in determining his qualification, the best way to Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #172

And that's your subjective opinion. Exilednight Nov 2016 #173

No, you should check what subjective opinion means and then see if this is Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #176

I know exactly what subjective opinion means. What you see as negatives I see as positives. It just Exilednight Nov 2016 #177

Bye, I busy on important issues. Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #179

Honest debate with give and take isn't your thing. Good luck with your issues. Exilednight Nov 2016 #181

Damn right. Bobbie Jo Nov 2016 #70

Those of us who stayed were with her democrattotheend Nov 2016 #77

I voted for the Democratic candidate Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #85

B. Obama and Michelle had it right. "Hillary was most qualified of oasis Nov 2016 #88

I think we have bigger problems than how a few people acted on Democratic Underground. jalan48 Nov 2016 #90

Senate and house were already lost. We weren't able to get them back. LisaL Nov 2016 #91

So that's a problem, right? jalan48 Nov 2016 #92

Well I can't say you'll find anything to argue you I worked against Hillary. DemocraticWing Nov 2016 #95

Please add me to your enemies list... sfwriter Nov 2016 #103

If they fought against Hillary after she won the nomination, they don't belong here. n/t Lil Missy Nov 2016 #122

Well, many left or were shown the door, but MineralMan Nov 2016 #123

K&R! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #124

Since no one fought against HRC here after the convention aikoaiko Nov 2016 #126

Memories fade so quickly... MineralMan Nov 2016 #128

But not as fast as imaginary resentments are created aikoaiko Nov 2016 #130

Donald? Is that you? Lil Missy Nov 2016 #142

IM me an example if you have one. aikoaiko Nov 2016 #148

That's one of the funniest things I've ever read on this website. TwilightZone Nov 2016 #146

Maybe you could IM me an example. aikoaiko Nov 2016 #147

I will also never forget and never stfu about it bravenak Nov 2016 #131

I'm shocked and surprised, I tell you! MineralMan Nov 2016 #132

I know, right! I'm just so chill you wouldn't guess it of me. Plus humble. bravenak Nov 2016 #153

Put me on your vindictive list right now then Arazi Nov 2016 #133

No, I won't be doing that. Sorry. MineralMan Nov 2016 #134

Uh huh. Right Arazi Nov 2016 #135

are we talking about the same election? mikehiggins Nov 2016 #141

Yep. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2016 #160

This pretty much sums up the whole thing. Exilednight Nov 2016 #180

Our old friends at JPR are back to suggesting we need a "new" Party...so I wouldn't call them Dems brooklynite Nov 2016 #151

I will also remember you Gothmog Nov 2016 #152

K&R betsuni Nov 2016 #155

MTE .Great post lunamagica Nov 2016 #182

I dont recall anyone fighting against Hillary here after the primary.... INdemo Nov 2016 #183

Well, it wouldn't be DU without years of recrimination. Orsino Nov 2016 #185

Coulda sworn zipplewrath Nov 2016 #186