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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: If you fought against Hillary Clinton after the Democratic convention, [View all]JTFrog
(14,274 posts)12. You can't base it on polls that don't reflect the opposition they had against him for fuck's sake.
http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
Here are a few tastes of what was in store for Sanders, straight out of the Republican playbook: He thinks rape is A-OK. In 1972, when he was 31, Sanders wrote a fictitious essay in which he described a woman enjoying being raped by three men. Yes, there is an explanation for it a long, complicated one, just like the one that would make clear why the Clinton emails story was nonsense. And we all know how well that worked out.
Then theres the fact that Sanders was on unemployment until his mid-30s, and that he stole electricity from a neighbor after failing to pay his bills, and that he co-sponsored a bill to ship Vermonts nuclear waste to a poor Hispanic community in Texas, where it could be dumped. You can just see the words environmental racist on Republican billboards. And if you cant, I already did. They were in the Republican opposition research book as a proposal on how to frame the nuclear waste issue.
Also on the list: Sanders violated campaign finance laws, criticized Clinton for supporting the 1994 crime bill that he voted for, and he voted against the Amber Alert system. His pitch for universal health care would have been used against him too, since it was tried in his home state of Vermont and collapsed due to excessive costs. Worst of all, the Republicans also had video of Sanders at a 1985 rally thrown by the leftist Sandinista government in Nicaragua where half a million people chanted, Here, there, everywhere/the Yankee will die, while President Daniel Ortega condemned state terrorism by America. Sanders said, on camera, supporting the Sandinistas was patriotic.
The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I dont know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
Here are a few tastes of what was in store for Sanders, straight out of the Republican playbook: He thinks rape is A-OK. In 1972, when he was 31, Sanders wrote a fictitious essay in which he described a woman enjoying being raped by three men. Yes, there is an explanation for it a long, complicated one, just like the one that would make clear why the Clinton emails story was nonsense. And we all know how well that worked out.
Then theres the fact that Sanders was on unemployment until his mid-30s, and that he stole electricity from a neighbor after failing to pay his bills, and that he co-sponsored a bill to ship Vermonts nuclear waste to a poor Hispanic community in Texas, where it could be dumped. You can just see the words environmental racist on Republican billboards. And if you cant, I already did. They were in the Republican opposition research book as a proposal on how to frame the nuclear waste issue.
Also on the list: Sanders violated campaign finance laws, criticized Clinton for supporting the 1994 crime bill that he voted for, and he voted against the Amber Alert system. His pitch for universal health care would have been used against him too, since it was tried in his home state of Vermont and collapsed due to excessive costs. Worst of all, the Republicans also had video of Sanders at a 1985 rally thrown by the leftist Sandinista government in Nicaragua where half a million people chanted, Here, there, everywhere/the Yankee will die, while President Daniel Ortega condemned state terrorism by America. Sanders said, on camera, supporting the Sandinistas was patriotic.
The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I dont know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
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If you fought against Hillary Clinton after the Democratic convention, [View all]
MineralMan
Nov 2016
OP
I strongly disagree with any Democrat who fought against Hillary after the convention
mtnsnake
Nov 2016
#1
Each person that didn't vote for Hillary: helped put a fascist in office: Just like Nader
lewebley3
Nov 2016
#79
Actually is wasn't Nader, it was the 308,000 Florida Dems who voted Bush
Grey Lemercier
Nov 2016
#114
No doubt, but as a reluctant supporter of Hillary - but supporter nonetheless - after she won the nomination, I don't think it's a good idea to alienate those who may not have done so...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Nov 2016
#129
this post is way out there. Calling people monsters who do vote on principle, like
JCanete
Nov 2016
#89
Yeah it is OTT. OTOH they had an opportunity to vote for the only candidate who could stop Trump.
emulatorloo
Nov 2016
#96
Tell that to all the undocumented minorities whose parents brought them to the US as babies
NoGoodNamesLeft
Nov 2016
#97
by that logic, tell anybody from Iraq that the people who voted for Hillary, including myself,
JCanete
Nov 2016
#98
By your logic every person who did NOT vote for Hillary is responsible for the dead kids in Aleppo
NoGoodNamesLeft
Nov 2016
#100
so we're on the on the same page. Calling people monsters for voting their conscience, no matter how
JCanete
Nov 2016
#101
I didn't call anyone monsters...but the BOBs and Stein voters may as well have voted for Trump IMO
NoGoodNamesLeft
Nov 2016
#102
and with that kind of break-down, we can most certainly never come back from it.
JCanete
Nov 2016
#106
Let me make it clear because you're right about one thing, I was not sensitive to
JCanete
Nov 2016
#109
I think what many people fail to understand is that Trump being elected genuinely HURTS many people
NoGoodNamesLeft
Nov 2016
#111
I'm just frustrated with people on here claiming Bernie would have won when he would NOT have
NoGoodNamesLeft
Nov 2016
#120
I will admit that my post was harsh and that I could have said that in a better way.
musicblind
Nov 2016
#117
Thanks for your reply, and I feel like I've been unfairly demanding of a lot of people who are
JCanete
Nov 2016
#118
And if you think Bernie wasn't a weak general election candidate, I have a nice bridge for sale.
LisaL
Nov 2016
#4
You can't base it on polls that don't reflect the opposition they had against him for fuck's sake.
JTFrog
Nov 2016
#12
well in a season of "grab them by the pussy", at worst an essay would have been a wash.
JCanete
Nov 2016
#116
Bernie could never win because he's too far left for moderate Independents
NoGoodNamesLeft
Nov 2016
#13
Yes. He was a weak primary candidate too--he lost by millions of votes, and many states he "won"
MADem
Nov 2016
#31
We have enough problems with the right calling progressives communists, to also
Baitball Blogger
Nov 2016
#6
The Green Party comes around every 4 years and has cost the Democrats the presidential
asuhornets
Nov 2016
#35
The saddest part of the "Nader effect" is that is also soils Bernie Sanders
NoGoodNamesLeft
Nov 2016
#55
I think 2 million of us in heavily Dems States should spread to the Red States
Madam45for2923
Nov 2016
#32
Yes, they can't be trusted and if they didn't vote for Hillary they are not welcome here. n/t
seaglass
Nov 2016
#33
Take it up with Skinner - the price of admission to DU is a vote for Hillary or support for her
seaglass
Nov 2016
#169
They had a vote just like the rest of us and once the primary was over and he lost by millions of
Demsrule86
Nov 2016
#159
The only people I saw told were not needed were those reposting RW trash against HRC....the ethics
bettyellen
Nov 2016
#80
We're well past the point where thwarted entitlement couched as righteous indignation
lapucelle
Nov 2016
#64
first of all, do you think anybody on this site thought Trump was going to do good things in office
JCanete
Nov 2016
#94
And I'll remember all those who said that Hillary couldn't lose. She's the strongest candidate to
Exilednight
Nov 2016
#69
I think it was said she was the "most qualified candidate", in fact she was the most qualified,
Thinkingabout
Nov 2016
#72
People on this very board, the OP included, stated in former posts that she was the strongest
Exilednight
Nov 2016
#73
It is subjective. Just because someone held a job, it doesn't mean they're qualified.
Exilednight
Nov 2016
#145
Likewise, Sanders has been in Congress for twenty five years, he is not ranked at the top
Thinkingabout
Nov 2016
#154
No, you can't blame his ratings on a Republican Congress, there were other members
Thinkingabout
Nov 2016
#163
A link that proves nothing about someone qualifications. It's just a study to be used to form an
Exilednight
Nov 2016
#168
It's a study, nothing more. it offers no actual conclusions that determines a person's qualification
Exilednight
Nov 2016
#171
For me it is quiet ample in determining his qualification, the best way to
Thinkingabout
Nov 2016
#172
No, you should check what subjective opinion means and then see if this is
Thinkingabout
Nov 2016
#176
I know exactly what subjective opinion means. What you see as negatives I see as positives. It just
Exilednight
Nov 2016
#177
Honest debate with give and take isn't your thing. Good luck with your issues.
Exilednight
Nov 2016
#181
I think we have bigger problems than how a few people acted on Democratic Underground.
jalan48
Nov 2016
#90
Well I can't say you'll find anything to argue you I worked against Hillary.
DemocraticWing
Nov 2016
#95
If they fought against Hillary after she won the nomination, they don't belong here. n/t
Lil Missy
Nov 2016
#122
Our old friends at JPR are back to suggesting we need a "new" Party...so I wouldn't call them Dems
brooklynite
Nov 2016
#151