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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Fuck the braindead notion that we can say "Fuck the white working class." [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)72. He might have lost SC anyway, and I won't argue with you on that, but I was paying very close
attention to the election cycle, and the media and the DNC did form a united front to tie his previous wins to him appealing to white male voters. Even when it wasn't true they were pushing that identity throughout the campaign, like when he won Hawaii, which was absolutely ridiculous. Jon Lewis came out and said in derisive terms, that he'd never met the man during the civil rights movement, as if he'd met everybody involved. That didn't come across as an honest uncharged answer to the question, and while I admire John Lewis greatly and respect his courage and contribution to making this nation a greater place, I don't have to pretend that didn't happen.
Sure, of course he couldn't have won the election without the support of people of color, but his platform is way better than Hillary's on issues that are actually affecting people of color's lives. But he didn't get support from the POC community in large part because there was no reason to give him a second look. He'd already been characterized as an old white male who appeals to white voters, and I got to say, we all have limited bandwidth and we make choices about how we spend our time. If I'd been black and had been told by people I trust that this is just another one of those dudes, I probably wouldn't have bothered looking at his platform either. Its not like I ever looked at Trump's or Cruz's during the primaries. I was pretty certain I knew what I was going to see.
So damn right I blame the DNC's media machine for gaming that election.
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Fuck the braindead notion that we can say "Fuck the white working class." [View all]
RBInMaine
Nov 2016
OP
Hillary's main message was "Trump's bad and I'm not Trump." Let me explain how else you are wrong.
RBInMaine
Nov 2016
#7
Maybe at her rallies, which were seen by a limited number of people. Her ads featured little policy
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#99
I really don't concede this election as something any voting bloc to be responsible for
nolabels
Nov 2016
#144
I noticed the same thing ; she wasn't even featured in her own damn commercials.
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#98
Some of us have never stopped raising "a stink" about it. We've just grown louder.
PotatoChip
Nov 2016
#141
And who is the Party that proposes free education, minimum wage hikes, access to healthcare
Trust Buster
Nov 2016
#2
The Democratic Party has been saying it all along while the Republican Party has been obstructing
Trust Buster
Nov 2016
#13
Absolute lack of a CLEAR jobs message and too many corporate Democrats. That's just the fact.
RBInMaine
Nov 2016
#14
Bull. The Party SAID that all election long. The Press reported on emails and Foundations. NT
Adrahil
Dec 2016
#149
Your statement makes zero sense. "If you're not college educated, "free" education isn't attractive"
Trust Buster
Nov 2016
#96
Sure they did. Trump promised to give them their 1960's back. It won't happen but they believed
Trust Buster
Nov 2016
#135
You don't get it. At least the Republicans SAY it. We don' even do that. It is SHIT messaging.
RBInMaine
Nov 2016
#10
Recommended. I agree that economic insecurity can lead people to blame "the other"
guillaumeb
Nov 2016
#5
I refuse to pander to racist, homophobic, misogynistic bible banging fundie nazi fuckers,
Grey Lemercier
Nov 2016
#6
You are stereotyping as bad as the people you are accusing. I hope you enjoy LOSING.
RBInMaine
Nov 2016
#12
you try walking in 100 million plus shoes of people who ARE the everyday victims
Grey Lemercier
Nov 2016
#18
you're absolutely right; some people are completely fixated on Us vs. Them nt.
TheFrenchRazor
Nov 2016
#136
Democrats have reached out to the white working class before by neglecting people of colour
Grey Lemercier
Nov 2016
#20
Being the party of EVERYONE doesn't leave ANYONE out. It isn't an either/or situation.
RBInMaine
Nov 2016
#23
They have the house, Senate, presidency, and most state legislatures. We need more voters
Amishman
Nov 2016
#70
You do realize that the white working class aren't the ones paying women less right?
mythology
Nov 2016
#48
they vote for the fuckers who DO enable all the rot in the country to occur, and then blame US when
Grey Lemercier
Nov 2016
#60
"Blue-collar Democrats to party: It's still the economy, stupid"-MSN headline today.
jalan48
Nov 2016
#16
Who would you blame? You call us "wrong"...but the important states show otherwise
Nancyswidower
Nov 2016
#95
Hillary won the popular vote by a large margin in CA and other West-Coast states
LongTomH
Nov 2016
#64
I'll bet you know more than anyone eh. You sound like whats his name who just became president elect
mtnsnake
Nov 2016
#92
Well, people are venting their frustration, and as a white male myself, while I agree these optics
JCanete
Nov 2016
#45
But what would you have people do? Are you denying that there is white privilege, that
JCanete
Nov 2016
#63
Perhaps we could extend the protections of political correctness to white people
Dems to Win
Nov 2016
#74
He might have lost SC anyway, and I won't argue with you on that, but I was paying very close
JCanete
Nov 2016
#72
I saw every woman & POC asking what Bernie had to say to them accused of being a shill or DNC plant-
bettyellen
Nov 2016
#75
I don't think its fair for you to remember the worst acts of some Bernie supporters and to
JCanete
Nov 2016
#78
"It was first propagated" the day Sanders website went live and there was no mention of women's,
bettyellen
Nov 2016
#90
I'm an economic progressive, because it goes hand and hand with every social issue. Again, you are
JCanete
Nov 2016
#94
I saw plenty of Hillary supporters belittling and insulting Bernie supporters
BlueProgressive
Nov 2016
#115
I was merely posting a response to someone else who seemed to be "refighting the
BlueProgressive
Nov 2016
#127
So, I would just say that you should stay away from language like "braindead." You are referring to
JCanete
Nov 2016
#43
False. The OP did NOT refer to DUers as you claim. The OP referred to a "notion."
mtnsnake
Nov 2016
#50
No I read it. You didn't read my whole post if you thought I didn't make that distinction. But
JCanete
Nov 2016
#62
"Working class America doesn't give a flying shit about pure food laws and solar power"
Martin Eden
Nov 2016
#71
There isn't anything Clinton could have said or done that would have won over a Trump voter.
Garrett78
Nov 2016
#84
Yep. Is it funny though seeing that group, who cheered Walmart previously...
WhoWoodaKnew
Nov 2016
#97
I was talking about the Trump voters, but go ahead and assume what ya want to
bravenak
Nov 2016
#118
I agree. Working class concerns had been a major part of the Democratic Party since FDR
mvd
Nov 2016
#114
Anybody who believes that a racist Neanderthal with a slew of lawsuits under his belt, who flies
Number23
Nov 2016
#117
Trump often played The Rolling Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want" at rallies.
betsuni
Nov 2016
#131