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Dark n Stormy Knight

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36. I didn't want to get mired down in politics today, but couldn't resist having a look at DU.
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 03:47 PM
Nov 2016

Wan't going to even sign in. But then I read your post. The article you quote is saying exactly what I've been trying to put into words!

Without built-in protective functions like critical analysis, self-reflection, openness to counter-evidence, willingness to re-evaluate any and all beliefs, etc., bad information in a closed-off system ends up doing massive damage in short period of time. What has happened to too many fundamentalist belief systems is damaging information has been allowed in from people who have been granted “expert status.” If someone is allowed into a closed-off system and their information is deemed acceptable, anything they say will readily be accepted and become gospel. Rural, Christian, white Americans have let in anti-intellectual, anti-science, bigoted, racists into their system as experts like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, any of the blonde Stepford Wives on FOX, every evangelical preacher on television because they tell them what they want to hear and because they sell themselves as being “one of them.

The truth is none of these people give a rat’s ass about rural, Christian, white Americans except how can they exploit them for attention and money. None of them have anything in common with the people who have let them into their belief systems with the exception they are white and they “speak the same language” of white superiority, God’s Will must be obeyed, and how, even though they are the Chosen Ones, they are the ones being screwed by all the people and groups they believe they are superior to.


Because this questioning didn’t take place, the Great Recession didn’t lead to any meaningful political shift away from poorly regulated markets, supply side economics, or how to respond to a financial crisis. This is why, even though rural, Christian, white America was hit hard by the Great Recession, they not only didn’t blame the political party they’ve aligned themselves with for years, they rewarded them two years later by voting them into a record number of state legislatures and taking over the U.S. House. Of course, it didn’t help matters there were scapegoats available they could direct their fears, anger, and white supremacy towards. A significant number of rural America believes President Obama was in charge when the financial crisis started. An even higher number believe the mortgage crisis was the result of the government forcing banks to give loans to unqualified minorities. It doesn’t matter how untrue both of these are, they are gospel in rural America. Why reevaluate your beliefs and voting patterns when scapegoats are available?



“Rural, white America needs to be better understood,” is a dodge, meant to avoid the real problems because talking about the real problems is viewed as “too upsetting,” “too mean,” “too arrogant,” “too elite,” “too snobbish.” Pointing out Aunt Bee’s views of Mexicans, blacks, gays…is bigoted isn’t the thing one does in polite society. Too bad more people don’t think the same about the views Aunt Bee has. It’s the classic, “You’re a racist for calling me a racist,” ploy. Or, as it is more commonly known, “I know you are but what am I?”


I need to go back and read that more carefully later, but after a quick read, it looks like I agree with the writer 100%. If you don't make this it's own OP, I'm going to. But can't until tomorrow, so please do! And if it sinks because everyone's taking the day off and enjoying Thanksgiving, I'll try to post it tomorrow. This needs to be read. I can't believe the most honest and reasonable thing I've read about this election is a tumblr post, but it is.

The only thing missing is that I don't think the population that article describes would be large enough to sway the election. There are other groups, for instance wealthy Rs who expect to gain financially from Trump's admin, as well as a few other groups.
I often really think some PTB democrats really don't understand the voter demographics RKP5637 Nov 2016 #1
I want to be clear: I wasn't talking about Democrats...I was talking Blue Collar, not Blue Party LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #2
Yep! Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2016 #3
You're still wrong, though NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #43
No. I'm not. And when you said, "There are a few of those" you fucking admitted it LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #48
I have relatives and friends in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Ohio NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #56
Maybe your relatives get called racist because they are racist. yardwork Nov 2016 #62
this is *another* problem here...these guys want to BE racist, they just LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #71
Your post actually seems to support the OP without you wanting it to Hekate Nov 2016 #57
You've only been here since August. musicblind Nov 2016 #59
I'm sick of hearing this. Nobody is taking their guns. yardwork Nov 2016 #61
Exactly! They sufferer from Authoritarian Personality Disorder. musicblind Nov 2016 #65
Sounds familiar! yardwork Nov 2016 #67
Read this article for perspective. "On Rural America - Understanding Isn't the Problem" SharonAnn Nov 2016 #25
Thanks, Wellstone ruled Nov 2016 #27
And as for the lack of critical thinking in many of these Americans... maddiemom Nov 2016 #29
Very well said! Thanks for the link!!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2016 #35
I didn't want to get mired down in politics today, but couldn't resist having a look at DU. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #36
I read this earlier on 'kos, and it is very insightful LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #49
Many of us "coastal elites" grew up in "the heartland." yardwork Nov 2016 #63
I am a liberal farmer. I haven't left because I liked farming too much. Am retired now JimBeard Nov 2016 #68
There's a lot of truth to this, I think. Nt lostnfound Nov 2016 #4
And this is precisely why those suckers will NEVER get. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2016 #5
Oh I completely agree with you, except that... LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #7
I have a feeling they could only be TOLD by an old white rich guy, though Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #11
or some really well placed ridicule. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #13
coming from who, though? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #15
Calling them idiots, morons, dumbasses, etc. hasn't converted one single teabagger for me.... johnfromokc Nov 2016 #37
I was *going* to cuss, but it's T-Day, so let's just disagree. LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #41
Preach. JHan Nov 2016 #23
I've lived here all my life too, and I don't think we've crossed the same people. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #6
Oh, we're crossing the exact same people, alright...you are spot on. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #8
There isn't much of a sense of "community" anymore. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #17
I grew up in Ohio OnionPatch Nov 2016 #34
So fuck 'em. I say stop trying to appeal to them. We've met the enemy, and they are them. MADem Nov 2016 #9
Yep. Because they need to be TOLD, not coddled. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #70
You are right on HelenWheels Nov 2016 #10
oh-- I bet there's all kinds of "facts" they believe about Hillary being the devil etc Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #12
Wow melman Nov 2016 #14
truth hurts?? Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #18
I grew up in a (former) steel town south of Pittsburgh. Efilroft Sul Nov 2016 #16
Yep, they cannot stand for minorities to "get" anything but ticket back where their ancestors came Hoyt Nov 2016 #19
They also inflate what they think they get...it's not just 'low-information', it's *stupid* LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #47
Yep treestar Nov 2016 #33
I think that is fundamentally America's whole problem, right there. yardwork Nov 2016 #66
I grew up in central MN. Michelle Bachmann territory NickB79 Nov 2016 #20
You are correct in this. Ligyron Nov 2016 #21
Agreed. But this goes beyond the rust belt. progressoid Nov 2016 #22
This is what passes for dialogue when workers fight for scraps. jalan48 Nov 2016 #24
This is so spot on...yep. They tore down a steel mill (career) and they'll build LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #50
Sigh. How do you reason with the unreasonable? wisteria Nov 2016 #26
ridicule. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #38
Very well said! Hayduke Bomgarte Nov 2016 #28
They've traded their guns for Social Security, Medicare, a Free Press, and the Environment bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #30
You look like a good person to me. I agree with you some, but not all, Laydee B. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #31
Your point of contention is apt, for sure, because the KGB, Comey, suppression, LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #39
I agree treestar Nov 2016 #32
And they are racist?? NeoConsSuck Nov 2016 #40
Please note that I did NOT reference Democrats...but please proceed. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #46
Your cup runneth over with hate mtnsnake Nov 2016 #42
Your cup runneth over with spite LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #45
Best to hold a bible and gun while you are telling them to bow pbmus Nov 2016 #44
What is this: "documented workers get incentives to which they are not entitled" LonePirate Nov 2016 #51
I shed no tears for the plight of "deplorables ".They deserve what's coming. oasis Nov 2016 #52
Racist/sexist/homophobic when they don't vote the way you want... Bob41213 Nov 2016 #53
Sorry sweets, but you're just incorrect. And supporting a racist *IS* racist, whether LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #54
Half? gollygee Nov 2016 #69
Very interesting POV. I'll give it some thought. Hekate Nov 2016 #55
I grew up in rural Ohio. You are exactly correct. yardwork Nov 2016 #58
These are the people who get caught in the supermarket checkout line because JimBeard Nov 2016 #60
You entire post just defined Authoritarian Personality Disorder to a T. musicblind Nov 2016 #64
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