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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: You guys don't get it: the rust belt working class want to be TOLD, not reasoned with [View all]SharonAnn
(13,884 posts)25. Read this article for perspective. "On Rural America - Understanding Isn't the Problem"
http://forsetti.tumblr.com/post/153181757500/on-rural-america-understanding-isnt-the-problem
"As the aftermath of the election of Donald Trump is being sorted out, a common theme keeps cropping up from all sides-Democrats failed to understand white, working class, fly-over America. Trump supports are saying this. Progressive pundits are saying this. Talking heads across all forms of the media are saying this. Even some Democratic leaders are saying this. It doesnt matter how many people say it, it is complete bullshit. It is an intellectual/linguistic sleight of hand meant to throw attention away from the real problem. The real problem isnt east coast elites dont understand or care about rural America. The real problem is rural America doesnt understand the causes of their own situations and fears and they have shown no interest in finding out. They dont want to know why they feel the way they do or why they are struggling because the dont want to admit it is in large part because of choices theyve made and horrible things theyve allowed themselves to believe.
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What I understand is rural, Christian, white America is entrenched in fundamentalist belief systems, dont trust people outside their tribe, have been force fed a diet of misinformation and lies for decades, are unwilling to understand their own situations, truly believe whites are superior to all races. No amount of understanding is going to change these things or what they believe. No amount of niceties is going to get them to be introspective. No economic policy put forth by someone outside their tribe is going to be listened to no matter how beneficial it would be for them. I understand rural, Christian, white America all too well. I understand their fears are based on myths and lies. I understand they feel left behind by a world they dont understand and dont really care to. I understand they are willing to vote against their own interest if they can be convinced it will make sure minorities are harmed more. I understand their Christian beliefs and morals are truly only extended to fellow white Christians. I understand them. I understand they are the problem with progress and will always be because their belief systems are constructed against it. The problem isnt a lack of understanding by coastal elites of rural, Christian, white America. The problem is a lack of understanding why rural, Christian, white America believes, votes, behaves the ways it does by rural, Christian, white America."
"As the aftermath of the election of Donald Trump is being sorted out, a common theme keeps cropping up from all sides-Democrats failed to understand white, working class, fly-over America. Trump supports are saying this. Progressive pundits are saying this. Talking heads across all forms of the media are saying this. Even some Democratic leaders are saying this. It doesnt matter how many people say it, it is complete bullshit. It is an intellectual/linguistic sleight of hand meant to throw attention away from the real problem. The real problem isnt east coast elites dont understand or care about rural America. The real problem is rural America doesnt understand the causes of their own situations and fears and they have shown no interest in finding out. They dont want to know why they feel the way they do or why they are struggling because the dont want to admit it is in large part because of choices theyve made and horrible things theyve allowed themselves to believe.
...
What I understand is rural, Christian, white America is entrenched in fundamentalist belief systems, dont trust people outside their tribe, have been force fed a diet of misinformation and lies for decades, are unwilling to understand their own situations, truly believe whites are superior to all races. No amount of understanding is going to change these things or what they believe. No amount of niceties is going to get them to be introspective. No economic policy put forth by someone outside their tribe is going to be listened to no matter how beneficial it would be for them. I understand rural, Christian, white America all too well. I understand their fears are based on myths and lies. I understand they feel left behind by a world they dont understand and dont really care to. I understand they are willing to vote against their own interest if they can be convinced it will make sure minorities are harmed more. I understand their Christian beliefs and morals are truly only extended to fellow white Christians. I understand them. I understand they are the problem with progress and will always be because their belief systems are constructed against it. The problem isnt a lack of understanding by coastal elites of rural, Christian, white America. The problem is a lack of understanding why rural, Christian, white America believes, votes, behaves the ways it does by rural, Christian, white America."
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You guys don't get it: the rust belt working class want to be TOLD, not reasoned with [View all]
LaydeeBug
Nov 2016
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I often really think some PTB democrats really don't understand the voter demographics
RKP5637
Nov 2016
#1
I want to be clear: I wasn't talking about Democrats...I was talking Blue Collar, not Blue Party
LaydeeBug
Nov 2016
#2
No. I'm not. And when you said, "There are a few of those" you fucking admitted it
LaydeeBug
Nov 2016
#48
Read this article for perspective. "On Rural America - Understanding Isn't the Problem"
SharonAnn
Nov 2016
#25
I didn't want to get mired down in politics today, but couldn't resist having a look at DU.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2016
#36
I am a liberal farmer. I haven't left because I liked farming too much. Am retired now
JimBeard
Nov 2016
#68
I have a feeling they could only be TOLD by an old white rich guy, though
Fast Walker 52
Nov 2016
#11
Calling them idiots, morons, dumbasses, etc. hasn't converted one single teabagger for me....
johnfromokc
Nov 2016
#37
I've lived here all my life too, and I don't think we've crossed the same people.
Buckeye_Democrat
Nov 2016
#6
So fuck 'em. I say stop trying to appeal to them. We've met the enemy, and they are them.
MADem
Nov 2016
#9
oh-- I bet there's all kinds of "facts" they believe about Hillary being the devil etc
Fast Walker 52
Nov 2016
#12
Yep, they cannot stand for minorities to "get" anything but ticket back where their ancestors came
Hoyt
Nov 2016
#19
They also inflate what they think they get...it's not just 'low-information', it's *stupid*
LaydeeBug
Nov 2016
#47
This is so spot on...yep. They tore down a steel mill (career) and they'll build
LaydeeBug
Nov 2016
#50
They've traded their guns for Social Security, Medicare, a Free Press, and the Environment
bucolic_frolic
Nov 2016
#30
You look like a good person to me. I agree with you some, but not all, Laydee B.
Mc Mike
Nov 2016
#31
Your point of contention is apt, for sure, because the KGB, Comey, suppression,
LaydeeBug
Nov 2016
#39
What is this: "documented workers get incentives to which they are not entitled"
LonePirate
Nov 2016
#51
Sorry sweets, but you're just incorrect. And supporting a racist *IS* racist, whether
LaydeeBug
Nov 2016
#54