2016 Postmortem

angrychair

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133. With all due respect

Mon Nov 21, 2016, 05:28 PM

Nov 2016

I mean that sincerely, as I have no desire to start a turf war with fellow Democrats as we all will lose and trump will win, but to continue to argue that Clinton did not lose states her inner circle knew they were losing since the primaries is not being honest about the shortcomings of her campaign. Yes, she won the popular vote. By a lot. It is something to be proud of and it is worth noting that trump has no mandate from the people.
That being said, she lost states Democrats have held for decades. Not just one state but several (more than 3). She didn't lose Michigan or Wisconsin or Pennsylvania because there all misogynistic racist. Or because of Stein or Johnson. Or because of vote rigging or suppression.

Why? Because president Obama won those states in 2008 and 2012 easily under very similar conditions.

Would I have said what Sanders said the same way? No. that quote is a single sentence in a much bigger quote in answer to a young latina woman's question. In context it is a fair perspective. Doesn't mean you or anybody else has to agree with it but I do not take it the same way as some.

I take it his meaning to be one on inclusiveness. That for as long as there is harm done to any one of us, it is an injustice to all of us.

I may be a white male but I am also an atheist, I've been homeless, I'm an immigrant, a feminist and a father. That walk a mile in my shoes has been easier for me than some, harder than others.

Take a deep breath and remember that Sanders will not be running for president again.

Trump is a narcissistic, racist, bigoted and xenophobic fascist. We are either united in our fight against his agenda or we will all become a victim of it. Your choice.

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I just LOVE Bernie Sanders for saying this. It is so unsexist and so unmisogynistic! [View all] boston bean Nov 2016 OP

Jesus Christ ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #1

On a trailer hitch Hekate Nov 2016 #14

You're welcome. rocktivity Nov 2016 #93

A classic! Wasn't that from the Terri Schiavo circus? VOX Nov 2016 #180

You have an issue with what he said? Lithos Nov 2016 #176

What he calls "identity politics" ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #194

Identity politics is a mistake Lithos Nov 2016 #195

Only when it comes to women according to you. You have a naive view of the world. n/t duffyduff Nov 2016 #213

And when have I said this? Lithos Nov 2016 #214

It is clearly implied. n/t duffyduff Nov 2016 #265

not really Lithos Nov 2016 #273

Bernie Sanders campaign relayerbob Nov 2016 #276

That was my strong impression. ucrdem Nov 2016 #282

Listen to Stiglitz blast TPP on the Ezra Klein podcast. He says that it isn't a trade bill Akamai Nov 2016 #330

That's Stiglitz's view though.. JHan Nov 2016 #379

Utter garbage. The idea that TPP is a friend to US workers is beyond parody. Kentonio Nov 2016 #389

Which provisions in the TPP worry you? JHan Nov 2016 #401

How about the fact that will not be enforced. Exilednight Nov 2016 #405

the TPP is not perfect... JHan Nov 2016 #408

Agreed Gothmog Nov 2016 #378

Yup. Seems clear to me that Sanders was reaching out to us on issues,issues, issues! Akamai Nov 2016 #388

Civil rights are not inclusive? A big ugly part of the "status quo" is ignored to court angry bettyellen Nov 2016 #285

Sorry, but that's not what I'm talking about Lithos Nov 2016 #289

And no one did that. That she represented diversity offended the "former base" shows exactly why bettyellen Nov 2016 #290

She ignored them Lithos Nov 2016 #295

agreed. Good editorial in NYT this Sunday on this issue BREMPRO Nov 2016 #410

Yes Lithos Nov 2016 #415

It's the RW's translation for it, just as PC is robbedvoter Nov 2016 #376

I sure don't... Bernie is the truth, our voice, and shows us the way out of the quagmire we find ourselves. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #230

Why did Zypher Teachout lose by 10%. Why did Russ Feingold lose? If Bernie was so still_one Nov 2016 #339

All good questions mcar Nov 2016 #342

I can't speak to other candidates' election losses as it pertains to Bernie, but I AGREE, those supporters who refused to vote for Hillary definitely have only THEMSELVES to blame... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #366

I just can't agree. He damaged the Democratic Party Hortensis Nov 2016 #364

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #2

Standing up HassleCat Nov 2016 #3

Actions ALWAYS speak louder than words! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #231

Especially where Bernie is concerned.... (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #323

Does your sig line mean you wrote in Sanders and Warren in 2016? boston bean Nov 2016 #338

For WHITE working class liberals. All others pretty much are "identity politics" types ehrnst Nov 2016 #246

I missed Hilary's speech supporting reparations Uponthegears Nov 2016 #255

I seem to remember Hillary getting the votes of POC in way bigger numbers than Bernie. ehrnst Nov 2016 #324

An answer? Uponthegears Nov 2016 #328

Bullshit ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #361

Oh he never even bothered didn't he? Kentonio Nov 2016 #390

But she had dinner one time with a black family in their house GummyBearz Nov 2016 #402

lol Trying to stay out of trouble? DURHAM D Nov 2016 #4

Seems highly insensitive of him to say it that way. ThirdEye Nov 2016 #5

We had a woman who could/would do all of that. DURHAM D Nov 2016 #9

She certainly could ThirdEye Nov 2016 #36

You make absolutely no sense. nt DURHAM D Nov 2016 #40

Made sense to me. progressoid Nov 2016 #76

Then maybe you can also explain why lapucelle Nov 2016 #160

Google can help... progressoid Nov 2016 #208

Shorter text: lapucelle Nov 2016 #234

Here we go again... ThirdEye Nov 2016 #383

My comment was in reference to Tulsi Gabbard's audition last week lapucelle Nov 2016 #385

/facepalm ThirdEye Nov 2016 #411

You've got a sense of humor, my friend. lapucelle Nov 2016 #423

Makes sense to me too. NT hueymahl Nov 2016 #141

I think I do make sense ThirdEye Nov 2016 #382

Funny that you think that you had the ability Hillary if she had won CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #71

Clearly, if you liked Bernie, you had to hate Hillary in equal measure. ehrnst Nov 2016 #122

From the time HRC was a college freshman, she has worked for the rights of women & children Hekate Nov 2016 #144

Except that she wasn't "common" and couldn't overcome her negative ratings. MelissaB Nov 2016 #167

Votes are still being counted, and SHE is up by 1.5 million and heading for 2 million over Trump Hekate Nov 2016 #201

You don't live in the South, do you. MelissaB Nov 2016 #243

And so the right will beat up on any candidate...look at how they treated Obama Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #298

You are right about not catering to them, but MelissaB Nov 2016 #312

Tell you how she lost? Sure, no problem. Kentonio Nov 2016 #391

And that pisses off men. They get to decide which women deserve a share and which are left high bettyellen Nov 2016 #284

Sanders already caved on the 15 minimum wage lapucelle Nov 2016 #157

The 15 minimum died on November 8th. Zen Democrat Nov 2016 #226

Apparently along with his principles nt metroins Nov 2016 #258

Nope NWCorona Nov 2016 #296

Indeed... I am very disappointed. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #300

Well, now apparently is the time for 'pragmatism' for one's political survival...(nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #374

Survival? ThirdEye Nov 2016 #384

So wait Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #304

Made sense to me as well. MelissaB Nov 2016 #165

His point was "spot on" BainsBane Nov 2016 #190

Opportunism. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #238

Yes, I saw Kellyanne was very complimentary BainsBane Nov 2016 #242

Yes she was. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #256

Thanks ThirdEye Nov 2016 #381

That seems to be a fairly common response to BainsBane Nov 2016 #386

More white women voted for Donald Trump than for Hillary Clinton Omaha Steve Nov 2016 #48

The vast majority of women who voted, voted for Hillary. 54% They just weren't all White. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #113

There were so many lies, we need a supercomputer just to keep track of them all. nt BootinUp Nov 2016 #182

"identity politics" is "political correctness" for the left. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #12

Very true. boston bean Nov 2016 #19

100 Quayblue Nov 2016 #191

No we don't agree...Hillary would have done all those things... Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #117

Yes! We need principled progressive stalwarts in our party! lapucelle Nov 2016 #153

Get what you can... sfwriter Nov 2016 #183

This is why Bernie will ALWAYS be "My President"! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #232

Because a 79 year old White Senator of the whitest state in the union ehrnst Nov 2016 #244

Bernie will be President for people of all races, religions, and genders... we will finally come together and be a stronger nation for it. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #316

Well, he's certainly not indicating that by his actions now, and in the past. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #321

Not sure what you're referring to... Bernie is the great uniter...indeed, the ONLY one who can heal our party. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #336

Certainly not a uniter of people who aren't white and lefty like the pop. of VT (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #343

You couldn't be more wrong about Bernie... the progressive issues he promoted benefits all races, all genders, all religions!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #346

No. He didn't even try to get the southern black vote ehrnst Nov 2016 #371

Uniter? Do you worship Benie our support him? I there a church of Bernie that I have not Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #348

Yes. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #352

Apparently, there is a new incarnation of the Buddha.... (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #372

Bernie is not and will never be president...you have to win a primary first...and at Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #347

No thank you. I like Elizabeth Warren Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #257

Bernie has the energy and stamina of someone half his age! Besides, like Hillary, Bernie is entitled to a second bite at the apple. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #318

Not as a Democrat. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #322

Why not? InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #335

Because he's not a Democrat, unless it serves his needs for establishment cred. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #344

Bernie's an Independent in name, but a Democrat at heart... the best of all possible worlds! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #345

His name and heart should get married and produce Democratic victories Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #349

Discord?... hardly! Had we given Bernie a fair shot, we wouldn't be in this position... and yet his party loyalty continues to shine through! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #350

When Bernie lost the primary, did he say, "I need to work to change my message."? ehrnst Nov 2016 #370

Trump is your president. lapucelle Nov 2016 #272

That asshole tRump will NEVER be my president! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #315

I don't know what you're saying. lapucelle Nov 2016 #270

So much for him "starting with a full loaf" of 15 minimum wage... ehrnst Nov 2016 #245

I am going to have to take two aspirin and lay down if I read much more of this shit. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #259

What you do when you bring Identity politics into play Lithos Nov 2016 #178

Lesson learned... at least, let's hope! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #233

Really? I guess you missed the last 30 years Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #262

You mean like you get a bunch of really reactionary hosts like on the radio Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #301

Hell with him mcar Nov 2016 #6

I like how you didn't bold the other part Kurska Nov 2016 #7

Yeah, because the last candidate we had told us to "vote for her because she's a woman" ehrnst Nov 2016 #10

They should have made that part bold as well. Really highlights his sexist remarks even more. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #17

This is why I never supported Bernie and believe he would have lost even without Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #118

And we will never know now. NWCorona Nov 2016 #297

No, we won't... a bitter pill to lose this election. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #310

Margaret Thatcher was a woman. nashville_brook Nov 2016 #154

Right, the old, "it's not that she's a woman, it's that she wasn't the *right* woman" Maven Nov 2016 #29

Yeah, the 'wrong woman" got more votes than any white man in history. ehrnst Nov 2016 #33

You had a point.. ThirdEye Nov 2016 #43

There is a lot more than policy that would have killed him in the GE. ehrnst Nov 2016 #51

Sanders had no idea okasha Nov 2016 #171

Hear, hear!!! (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #373

Well I'm sure BOBers are glad they didn't make the mistake of electing the wrong woman this time. Maven Nov 2016 #64

Bernie doesn't get it...we have Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #125

Thank you sooo much for the mansplaining NastyRiffraff Nov 2016 #163

... mcar Nov 2016 #177

1 uponit7771 Nov 2016 #111

Because guess what? Starting with the first part pretty much made all of it suck. kcr Nov 2016 #119

"All lives matter!!" (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #8

Strawman ThirdEye Nov 2016 #45

It's just like saying that. Like saying "enough with political correctness" ehrnst Nov 2016 #50

Asked by a questioner how she could become the second Latina senator in U.S think Nov 2016 #11

" It is not good enough for somebody to say, 'I'm a woman, vote for me.' No, thats not good enough. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #21

So was he being racist when he said just being Latino wasn't good enough? Was that his intent think Nov 2016 #25

Show me the quote and context and I'll let you know. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #30

It's in the quote I posted. Did you miss it? think Nov 2016 #31

Yes. I missed it. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #34

"I have to know whether that Latina is going to stand up with the working class of this country" think Nov 2016 #37

Where he ended is with commentary about the election amd division in the party. boston bean Nov 2016 #41

"It's where the conversation started." NCTraveler Nov 2016 #46

Many a white male think their economic standing take primacy boston bean Nov 2016 #52

He's all for chasing a group we LOST DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #95

I gave up giving a shit about those white dudes duffyduff Nov 2016 #188

Exactly. n/t DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #236

With all due respect angrychair Nov 2016 #133

So many built in and flawed assumptions. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #134

I apologize for the shortcomings angrychair Nov 2016 #136

I really do like much of what you wrote. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #137

Great post hueymahl Nov 2016 #142

I think that it's rather insulting to state that's only/main reason people would vote for her. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #58

Yep - because it implies that was the only positive thing that Hillary offered ehrnst Nov 2016 #28

So....you're saying that that IS good enough? LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #66

I read your stuff a JPR...you want a 'new' party. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #240

I just don't think it's important to him that the glass ceiling gets shattered. LisaM Nov 2016 #68

He's a dude, that's why. duffyduff Nov 2016 #266

"Beyond identity politics" is like electing Obama and calling the US "post racial"..., Hekate Nov 2016 #24

White men are being neglected!!! (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #35

For me, going beyond means expanding ThirdEye Nov 2016 #47

Not according to Bernie in 2013 ehrnst Nov 2016 #53

"class' is as much identity politics as is race or gender. riversedge Nov 2016 #65

And his solution was to basically try and avoid those issues. Works in VT, not nationally. bettyellen Nov 2016 #375

1 uponit7771 Nov 2016 #112

I have advocated on this board as to the reasons we should respect and appreciate him. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #13

100000 Hekate Nov 2016 #16

Hear, hear!!! (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #22

Agreed. Maven Nov 2016 #26

. DURHAM D Nov 2016 #27

1!!! tallahasseedem Nov 2016 #42

Applause otohara Nov 2016 #78

LOL... yeah Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #83

I agree. I am so angry with him. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #127

so you'd whole-heartedly support Sarah Palin? nashville_brook Nov 2016 #156

1 nt NCTraveler Nov 2016 #158

Yep. Lucinda Nov 2016 #161

Exactly! You can't spell Sanders without NADER. R B Garr Nov 2016 #248

Here comes a hide liquid diamond Nov 2016 #249

I think it depends on the jury which is random. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #252

You should appeal. Bernie is not a Democrat. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #253

I did liquid diamond Nov 2016 #274

It takes a while. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #302

Lol NWCorona Nov 2016 #299

lovely, we can all spend a contentious next 4 years saying "fuck you" to each other. JCanete Nov 2016 #420

I have no intentions of saying "fuck you" to you over the next four years. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #421

I don't deify Sanders. I respect him and admire him. I don't think he personally is the JCanete Nov 2016 #422

He's been saying this for YEARS - that the concerns of white men were not being heard..... ehrnst Nov 2016 #15

Ayup. boston bean Nov 2016 #18

Right, because there's no women in the white working class who need reproductive care Hekate Nov 2016 #20

Hillary took 54% of the working class vote 50,000. But it wasn't "White working class" ehrnst Nov 2016 #23

Bernie has always been just as pro-choice as Hillary. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #150

How about unions refusing to admit black members? okasha Nov 2016 #175

That was wrong when unions did that-and that was decades ago. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #181

Racial discrimination in the workplace has been over for many years? bettyellen Nov 2016 #218

I didn't say there was no workplace discrimination. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #219

Your post made t sound like a solved issue. Who is pushing to weaken unions? bettyellen Nov 2016 #224

My post just said that the social justice and economic justice causes aren't in conflict. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #225

I wish Sanders saw it that way. It's been obvious he was afraid to alienate the WWC voter.... bettyellen Nov 2016 #288

In any case...Bernie isn't going to run for the presidency again... Ken Burch Nov 2016 #291

He's in the news Ken. Stop trying to suppress discussion of current events.... bettyellen Nov 2016 #292

It's not about wanting anyone to shut up. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #293

Sanders is talking about leaving people behind.... and so he'll get a reaction here. bettyellen Nov 2016 #294

You really can't... tonedevil Nov 2016 #305

I can, and that poster has no idea how issues women and POC have to do with economics that were NOT bettyellen Nov 2016 #306

They're hung up, not us ThirdEye Nov 2016 #49

I believe that he was talking about the Democratic party 'abandoning' them ehrnst Nov 2016 #54

Listen these white working class males are republicans and have been because of social boston bean Nov 2016 #55

Yeah, well he's been a sexist for years then. pnwmom Nov 2016 #67

It's men who benefit from their gender, not women. athena Nov 2016 #105

Exactly. And Trump did that. He said Hillary didn't have a "Presidential look." pnwmom Nov 2016 #121

The concerns of white men are NOT what lost this election either, unemployement is at 4.9% uponit7771 Nov 2016 #110

You are mischaracterizing that. sfwriter Nov 2016 #184

Poor widdle white dude babies. Women and POC just have to put them front and center. duffyduff Nov 2016 #267

Oy. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2016 #32

No one has given me a good explanation why Russ Feingold and Zypher Teachout lost still_one Nov 2016 #38

She earned the popular vote, despite a 25 year attack from the right ehrnst Nov 2016 #39

we are on the same page still_one Nov 2016 #44

Yes, indeed! ehrnst Nov 2016 #56

That is borderline offensive and sexist hueymahl Nov 2016 #143

Bernie certainly is. Women can hear the dog whistles just fine. Hekate Nov 2016 #147

You know, if I said Hillary was bigoted in some way, I would get a hide hueymahl Nov 2016 #149

And Bernie paved the way with his "I serve the people, and she only serves corporate masters" ehrnst Nov 2016 #152

a million! Fantastic post!! boston bean Nov 2016 #170

Thanks Ehrnst- and I'll remind everyone how the worst of it was started by those trolls at JPR - but bettyellen Nov 2016 #187

Feel better? hueymahl Nov 2016 #202

I said he "in part" caused Hillary to not get the electoral college. (She won the vote.) nt ehrnst Nov 2016 #237

Bernie cost us the election due to the divisive primary. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #254

He started flipping off the norms by hiding his taxes, not conceding graciously but trying to hold bettyellen Nov 2016 #387

His inability to learn or admit when he is wrong soured me on him. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #406

Excellent Hekate Nov 2016 #203

Standing ovation. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #241

Fantastic post ehrnst! n/t seaglass Nov 2016 #250

In part...yes, indeed!.. Guilded Lilly Nov 2016 #404

I blame the people who voted third party or lapucelle Nov 2016 #168

Bernie is not a Democrat. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #263

It has everything to do with it. Get a clue for once. n/t duffyduff Nov 2016 #269

Well, enjoy president Trump all of you who simply felt she was unaceptable. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #303

I voted for Hillary. And campaigned for her. And lost a couple of friends over her hueymahl Nov 2016 #334

me too...I meant in general. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #337

People seem to forget that, don't they? mcar Nov 2016 #91

yes they do still_one Nov 2016 #186

Yep. That gets crickets every time. kcr Nov 2016 #128

This statement is mathmatically dubious and divisive. sfwriter Nov 2016 #185

Tone deaf. Absolutely. Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #57

Narcissism, thy name is Bernie Sanders. grossproffit Nov 2016 #62

He's got a book to sell, you know...nt SidDithers Nov 2016 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Nov 2016 #77

... SidDithers Nov 2016 #123

I see you keep spamming this every time someone mentions that Bernie is cashing in R B Garr Nov 2016 #247

OOPS!!! Omaha Steve Nov 2016 #271

LOL! The depths of pettiness over everything Clinton is truly a sight R B Garr Nov 2016 #278

Reading comprehension Omaha Steve Nov 2016 #279

Same to you. You apparently want people to understand that if Bernie has a book R B Garr Nov 2016 #280

Go back to Sid's comment that started this Omaha Steve Nov 2016 #283

Nope Jane admitted that the book advance went towards their 600K house after it was discovered that seaglass Nov 2016 #307

Just stop. No more crap articles from June fucking 2014 to smear HRC emulatorloo Nov 2016 #356

This was a reply to "He's got a book to sell, you know...nt" Omaha Steve Nov 2016 #357

I don't care, Steve. June 2014! Please post something recent and positive about any democrat emulatorloo Nov 2016 #358

Deleted it Omaha Steve Nov 2016 #365

Hope you all are having a wonderful day! emulatorloo Nov 2016 #367

Mine is better than Marta's Omaha Steve Nov 2016 #368

Oh sorry to hear that! Best wishes to her, I hope she feels better soon. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #369

Well - he's never won two Presidential elections JustAnotherGen Nov 2016 #60

I am thrilled that Obama will be leading the charge, so thankful. n/t seaglass Nov 2016 #251

we most move past identity politics jg10003 Nov 2016 #61

This election was about the triumph of emotion -- fear, hate, hope, and vengeance -- pnwmom Nov 2016 #69

It wasn't Trump, it was nonstop media fawning over him. Trump has no charisma. duffyduff Nov 2016 #189

Can't miss an opportunity to take a swipe at Hillary now that she's down, eh Bernie? Maven Nov 2016 #63

Exactly. athena Nov 2016 #73

So, Trump won because he's going to stand up against Wall Street, Big Pharma, and Big Insurance? Yavin4 Nov 2016 #70

I like the way you are thinking ther Yavin! boston bean Nov 2016 #75

1, yeap... don't really understand his logic here ... a billionaire asshole who bribes people isn't uponit7771 Nov 2016 #114

Wow the truth hurts based on responses LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #72

So to you, Hillary is just a woman. athena Nov 2016 #74

No. It's the idea that her gender would automatically make her transformative in office. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #81

her female identity in the presidency would have INDEED been transformative Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #86

Oh, yeah...wait, what? Ken Burch Nov 2016 #92

you packed a lot of ideas into your post, I was only responding to you saying Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #97

Thanks for that. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #99

yes, definitely-- new tactics are badly needed Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #124

Elizabeth warrenhas neber run for president. boston bean Nov 2016 #94

She was looking like she would...and virtually every Bernie supporter was a Warren supporter first. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #96

No she always said she was not running for president. boston bean Nov 2016 #98

That wasn't always certain. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #100

What question? A hypothetical on what you think my answer might be?? boston bean Nov 2016 #109

My point is, if the Bernie supporters were potential Warren supporters first... Ken Burch Nov 2016 #140

Go give some advice to Bernie. boston bean Nov 2016 #166

Certainly a Warren candidacy was a certain group's fantasy, and they insisted she was a liar... Hekate Nov 2016 #204

Many Bernie supporters attacked Warren in some ugly fucked up ways when she didn't endorse Sanders JI7 Nov 2016 #210

thanks for putting it into those words LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #108

No one supporting her ever thought that- but BOBs pushed it hard .... bettyellen Nov 2016 #145

That's exactly what LiberalLovinLug didn't say. progressoid Nov 2016 #84

Yes, shockingly I think Hillary is just a woman. As I think Bernie is just a man LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #103

A better candidate that couldn't beat hillary. Also got millions less votes than her. boston bean Nov 2016 #227

In the end lapucelle Nov 2016 #235

The same "truth" you spew over at Pinebagger, Jim Jones site? grossproffit Nov 2016 #80

Do you have a problem with something I posted there? LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #89

Yes. nt JTFrog Nov 2016 #215

Your not the only Bernie person stuck in the middle marlakay Nov 2016 #360

Thank you. I feel like this site has lost its mind. Qutzupalotl Nov 2016 #101

She did stand up for the working class. Who are the people feeling she didn't and why? boston bean Nov 2016 #228

Right...because Hillary's economic ideas were so anti-working class and all. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #264

What she said about coal hurt her. Qutzupalotl Nov 2016 #268

The truth is DPutin is going to stand up to Wall Street?!?! Really?! uponit7771 Nov 2016 #115

Bullshit...you elected a president who's policy is the opposite of progressive...but Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #130

You are preaching to deaf ears, my friend, but you are precisely and quite simply right. JudyM Nov 2016 #207

Yep jack_krass Nov 2016 #320

Oh FFS! Bernie, please go away. leftofcool Nov 2016 #79

I hope and pray he is just starting LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #107

Why don't you think he has done enough? The GOP have all three branches of Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #131

Ridiculous LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #197

I've read your multiple posts at JPR Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #260

Ridiculous. Never would have won. Justice Nov 2016 #277

If the Democratic Party believes this obvious untruth cpwm17 Nov 2016 #317

Sorry, Bernie would have been destroyed. See Eichenwald's post mortem. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #355

There's a good rebuttal of his nonsense article here.. Kentonio Nov 2016 #392

Eichenwald is an investigative reporter. Your blogger is an opinion writer. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #407

The revolution is over. He has already caved to King Donald. leftofcool Nov 2016 #135

Bernie doesn't have a revolution. okasha Nov 2016 #179

That's ok, put your feet up, relax LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #199

Non sequitur. okasha Nov 2016 #220

Well, you're doing a super job so far.. Kentonio Nov 2016 #393

Bernie is not going anywhere. Bernie and his philosophical successors are the future of the party, jack_krass Nov 2016 #326

where's the SARCASM emoticon? Surely you are not serious. Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #82

She's not. athena Nov 2016 #102

Yay. Let's bash Bernie! progressoid Nov 2016 #85

Some of them think everyone to the left of John Podesta should be kicked out of the party. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #90

Wow. Don't know those Dems. Hyperbole much? (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #106

(plus)100000 nashville_brook Nov 2016 #155

Yep! MelissaB Nov 2016 #169

You know Sanders isn't in the party, right? okasha Nov 2016 #221

Whether he is or not isn't the point. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #222

Yeah, I totally got that from Bernie supporters - "Let's all work together" ehrnst Nov 2016 #104

Who cares about Bernie Sanders? Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #132

Who cares? 13 million primary voters for starters. progressoid Nov 2016 #138

The primary is over and we lost the election... Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #139

It would seem one person's bashing is another's constructive criticism. progressoid Nov 2016 #198

I have heard the video where Bernie talks about Identity politics. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #239

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #192

I don't know what you mean. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #196

Dude. The primaries ended in July. Tiggeroshii Nov 2016 #87

FYI maybe you should relay that to Bernie Fucking Sanders. As I recall, he LOST. Maru Kitteh Nov 2016 #206

So did Clinton Tiggeroshii Nov 2016 #211

And yet only one of them is now acting like a sore loser. Maru Kitteh Nov 2016 #216

Again, how is giving an opinion, after doing everything he can to help us win, Tiggeroshii Nov 2016 #217

Ha I can do without this sort of 'help'. It would be nice if we could Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #261

The arrogance is frankly astounding. Kentonio Nov 2016 #395

He still has a role in politics, unlike Clinton Nevernose Nov 2016 #275

Joyless? No, THAT'S a hoot. Kentonio Nov 2016 #394

I have always liked Bernie, but I'm really sad that he said this. cry baby Nov 2016 #88

I agree, and he does seem bitter Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #120

I am going to lose my mind...he is like the energizer bunny... Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #116

infinity. grossproffit Nov 2016 #287

I am with you. My college age daughter (who voted for Hillary as she is not stupid) Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #311

So there should have been no one.. MicaelS Nov 2016 #319

Its not enough to say I have ideas Fresh_Start Nov 2016 #126

Great piece in Alternet about the dangers of this kind of thinking ehrnst Nov 2016 #129

Fuck him. He used the Dems, Hillary and the convention itself and bashed them all bettyellen Nov 2016 #146

I agree with Bernie. How did that "Identity Politics" work out for us? jalan48 Nov 2016 #148

Quite well, considering Hillary is on track to win by 2 million votes. She won't get the WH... Hekate Nov 2016 #205

Yes, the same rules have only been in place for about 240 years.. Kentonio Nov 2016 #396

I hope people now understand BainsBane Nov 2016 #151

But the Bernie Bros have no problem with it...nt SidDithers Nov 2016 #162

Unfortunately for them BainsBane Nov 2016 #164

It's making the social media rounds now. ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #172

We were right about him all along. No doubt. Not that I had any.. boston bean Nov 2016 #173

Yup ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #174

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You're not really happy here, are you? okasha Nov 2016 #223

Hilaary supporters voted for hillary. Ot trump or someone else. boston bean Nov 2016 #229

Such a sore fucking loser La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #159

Fuck that. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #193

i hate to feel this way JI7 Nov 2016 #209

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He is one of the reasons Hillary is not president today. athena Nov 2016 #309

I can't believe you actually believe that. MelissaB Nov 2016 #313

I can't believe you don't. athena Nov 2016 #314

I donated to both as well, for exactly the same reason DFW Nov 2016 #332

How is it an 'ugly and offensive comment' exactly? Kentonio Nov 2016 #397

But he would have been elected, don't you know, because he appealed to the same white dudes duffyduff Nov 2016 #212

What's wrong with anything he said there? Kentonio Nov 2016 #398

You are promoting a false meme - that the only people who supported her was because she's a woman. Lil Missy Nov 2016 #281

No-one is saying that's the only reason people supported her. Kentonio Nov 2016 #399

If you can't see it then there is no use trying to explain it to you. Lil Missy Nov 2016 #412

Well that's up to you of course. Kentonio Nov 2016 #414

So you found his statement divisive and you thought it best to JCanete Nov 2016 #308

I disagree with his sexism. Have since the primary. Next question.... LexVegas Nov 2016 #333

examples please...your feeling that he's sexist because he ran against your candidate who JCanete Nov 2016 #341

Good. Glad you like it (nt) jack_krass Nov 2016 #325

Trump and the neo-Nazis disagree with him. They prefer identity politics... Orsino Nov 2016 #327

I saw Sanders true colors in the primary. nt LexVegas Nov 2016 #329

Yes, Hillary should NEVER have said, "I'm a woman, vote for me." DFW Nov 2016 #331

You mean like her surrogate Madeleine Albright's now infamous quote.. Kentonio Nov 2016 #400

If you want to rag on Madeline Albright, go ahead DFW Nov 2016 #416

So just to clarify.. Kentonio Nov 2016 #417

If my claim that Hillary never said that is wrong, feel free to point out where and when she did DFW Nov 2016 #418

Ah so having a surrogate do it is completely different.. Kentonio Nov 2016 #419

I don't think it gets any more identity based than calling oneself a Berniecrat. lapucelle Nov 2016 #340

Bernie is using a gaslighting technique. LisaM Nov 2016 #351

I was also offended by this statement by Sanders Gothmog Nov 2016 #353

"Magic Mirror on the wall, who's the fairest revolutionary of all?" betsuni Nov 2016 #354

Hillary did not say 'I'm a women, vote for me.' So fuck that noise. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #359

Exactly. Not a single time. This is another Amimnoch Nov 2016 #362

No more identitiy politics rumdude Nov 2016 #363

PC - another name for civil rights right wing tanks cooked robbedvoter Nov 2016 #377

I feel sometimes Bernie is feigning ignorance.. JHan Nov 2016 #380

Bernie is correct about that Renew Deal Nov 2016 #403

The End of Identity liberalism NYT BREMPRO Nov 2016 #409

Stick with what works! Trump wants you to dictate the terms of our next campaign too. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #413