2016 Postmortem

Buzz cook

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107. Arguments such as this ignore several things

Reply to redgreenandblue (Original post)

Sat Jul 2, 2016, 04:34 PM

Jul 2016

Clinton was and is better organized. She has had a presidential team since 2008. Her ground game was much more in retail politics than Sanders.

She has the support of many party leaders because she has supported them in the past. Clinton has never been shy about public appearances for down ticket candidates. That was true well before 2008.

Name recognition. Clinton is one of the most well known people in the world and has been one of the most admired women in the world several different times. Most people had never heard of Sanders.

Sanders started his campaign very late and he never had a national campaign apparatus. He also practiced wholesale politics in the form of mass rallies. This is a problem because his audience is more self selected than universal. There is a remove between the wholesale candidate and the average voter.

People should look at the mechanics of an election first when they try to analyze one.

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Why Sanders lost, and why I think it matters. [View all] redgreenandblue Jul 2016 OP

And that economic discomfort will continue demwing Jul 2016 #1

Your comparisons for Sanders are very confusing. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #3

more people liked her message SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2016 #26

The majority vote in state after state is a fact. Hortensis Jul 2016 #33

Climate change and the sixth global mass-extinction event is happening now SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2016 #49

Hillary thoughtfully addresses the problems of climate change pnwmom Jul 2016 #55

great SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2016 #60

She doesn't, actually. Scootaloo Jul 2016 #77

Fracking? rickford66 Jul 2016 #100

Please don't refight the primary. Bernie isn't the presumptive nominee. nt pnwmom Jul 2016 #103

Do you even understand fracking? I make a good living from alternative and renewable fuels tonyt53 Jul 2016 #104

lol La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #64

I would think that if 16,838,264 voted for Clinton and 13,100,987 voted for Sanders, the premise.... George II Jul 2016 #70

The only fact you get from that is that Clinton got 3,737,277 more votes Scootaloo Jul 2016 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #87

.+1 840high Jul 2016 #47

The narrative is wrong. The word "young" was left out before white male. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #2

Thanks for saving the rest of us the time in making the same point. politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2016 #17

This explains what is going on with the "revolution." BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #20

Awesomely interesting! Entryism definition Her Sister Jul 2016 #42

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #46

That's about how 840high Jul 2016 #48

You do realize she won delegates based on how people voted right? mythology Jul 2016 #92

That's the claim anyway. timmymoff Jul 2016 #96

Your assumption that we're not part of the party is vile Scootaloo Jul 2016 #79

You just saved me a BUNCH of time with this reply. Thanks bravenak Jul 2016 #44

No we can't!! Isn't that inspiring? eridani Jul 2016 #74

^^^AMEN to this!^^^ Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #95

Hillary won because more Democrats voted for her still_one Jul 2016 #102

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #4

LOL! Politicalboi Jul 2016 #7

What a shameful piece of text. SpareribSP Jul 2016 #11

The Mothers, The Grandmothers DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #13

Can you explain how "bro" could possibly be considered racist? Is there some sort of hardship bettyellen Jul 2016 #24

To some, it is a pseudo-ghetto title...not quite a pejorative, libdem4life Jul 2016 #28

No it's actually referring to generally I whiter generic collegiate dudes..... bettyellen Jul 2016 #30

It was a mistake. DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #35

"friendly" ?! DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #29

Yeah dudes and bros have generally positive connotations.....the only negative would bettyellen Jul 2016 #31

I Miss-typed DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #37

Well people use dude and bro for both sexes- it's just like "pal" but sort of young maybe post bettyellen Jul 2016 #38

Well, that's not how the term "berniebro" has been used. Ever. Scootaloo Jul 2016 #81

It's not that a singular bro is a bad thing - it's the swarm of bros we all saw on Reddit and even bettyellen Jul 2016 #93

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #111

It doesn't matter. No matter how polls hyped Hillary from the get-go, people need to be more BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #5

The only group that went for Bernie was the one he pandered to. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #6

Those are policies he has fought for his entire political career. bvar22 Jul 2016 #12

Where are the bills he introduced in Congress for free health care and free tuition the politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2016 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #15

Bingo Justice Jul 2016 #21

+1, they didn't put much resources in the southern states uponit7771 Jul 2016 #32

And that gorup is our future eridani Jul 2016 #75

Question... Scootaloo Jul 2016 #82

For example: CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #90

That he was inexperienced and basically unknowledge about social bettyellen Jul 2016 #98

There are a number of very good reasons why Sanders didnot win the vote of key groups Gothmog Jul 2016 #8

I would go so far as to guess that the Clinton campaign's vetting of Sanders as an opponent is why BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #22

I agree with everything you said about President Obama, and would just add the following: politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2016 #23

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #34

Most voted for Hillary because she is the most qualified, has the most experience upaloopa Jul 2016 #9

The "sore winner" phenomenon, as you call it, is about one thing and one thing only. DanTex Jul 2016 #10

Your third paragraph is exactly right realmirage Jul 2016 #41

Hillary won because she is the better candidate. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #14

. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #16

^^This^^ Loki Jul 2016 #68

Bernie Sanders lost because of his mistaken belief KMOD Jul 2016 #18

nope SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2016 #27

+1, angry is easy answers are hard and being sideways at one of the most popular dem presidents... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #36

Bingo! bravenak Jul 2016 #45

He had no relationships with the demographics he needed to win. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #25

And Bernie's numbers were rising and stopped when he began attacking Hillary CreekDog Jul 2016 #108

Don't forget that Hillary has been under almost constant attack since the 1990's. pnwmom Jul 2016 #39

Describing Hillary merely as the "default candidate" is highly offensive realmirage Jul 2016 #40

+10000000000 Haveadream Jul 2016 #50

THANK YOU!!!!! robbedvoter Jul 2016 #54

K&R! Great Response! n/t DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #65

Totally agree. nt eastwestdem Jul 2016 #43

I think it's disingenuous of us to be dismissive of the discontent. randome Jul 2016 #51

OWS wanted to recruit Warren. Sanders was Plan B robbedvoter Jul 2016 #53

If the disconnect grows more strongly down the road, I think both 'sides' will be to blame. randome Jul 2016 #57

Charisma is a subjective thing, To you, media she is not, To her voters robbedvoter Jul 2016 #69

Money quote. forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #72

It didn't help that most of you laughed when we got our asses beat Scootaloo Jul 2016 #83

No one laughed at you and no one is laughing at you now. randome Jul 2016 #84

Ah yes, I'm lying about my experiences Scootaloo Jul 2016 #85

No one ever said you were lying, either. randome Jul 2016 #86

So, the majority D voters are numbskulls who voted for generic candidate robbedvoter Jul 2016 #52

I'm sure the women of Iraq and Libya are endlessly thrilled n/t eridani Jul 2016 #76

The things... Mike Nelson Jul 2016 #56

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #58

Well, sure a virgo would say that. We libras, on the other hand, know better. randome Jul 2016 #59

LOL. yeah. that was it. La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #63

. RandySF Jul 2016 #61

Change is scary TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #62

Nope DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #67

Nope. We actually like and respect her. grossproffit Jul 2016 #71

So many posters here who voted for Sanders think that Hillary won because of something wrong with us CreekDog Jul 2016 #109

If that's what you need to tell yourself MaggieD Jul 2016 #66

Perhaps you should think about how easily you dismiss the votes of BainsBane Jul 2016 #73

I guess even democracy has to be Bernsplained to us. RandySF Jul 2016 #80

Sanders lost because of the African-American vote oberliner Jul 2016 #88

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #101

That's true oberliner Jul 2016 #105

How'd that argument work out? BainsBane Jul 2016 #110

If the GOP becomes the party of economic populism TheFarseer Jul 2016 #89

I disagree ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #91

Ugh. A long, long post that simply regurgitates what BS supporters have said or implied all along: Squinch Jul 2016 #94

Agreed La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #97

perfectly said, G_j Jul 2016 #99

why are you relitigating the primary? comradebillyboy Jul 2016 #106

Arguments such as this ignore several things Buzz cook Jul 2016 #107