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38. Between the voter purges, changing party affiliation, and the exit polls mismatching the vote totals
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:53 AM
Apr 2016

I truly believe NY is the state that makes it clear to Democrats, that it is Democratic establishment that is pulling Republican tactics. NY is in large part, run by Democrats. Wall St and the banks are HUGE influence in politics. If Bernie wins, they lose. It wouldn't surprise me that they already had the voting tabulations set for a margin of win percentage... They may have overplayed the hand with that because of all the purged and changed registrations?

The reality is the split should have been closer to 52/ 48 with the win going to Clinton. The delegates would essentially be split and the narrative coming out of NY would have been completely different than the one we heard.... Essentially, everyone wants Sanders to pull out, pull back, quit attacking Hillary's record. If he pulled out of the election now, he loses delegates. If he stays in, the likelihood of either candidate reaching the magic number with pledged delegates is unlikely. It then comes down to Super delegates and what is happening in the world in July. By then, she may be indicted over her e-mails. AND boy do I wish Sander's hadn't said, "who gives a damn about the e-mails" because as light and investigation is showing, its a bigger deal than initially anyone thought when the right was on the attack.. It looked like another smear attack like Benghazi.

AND why in the world has he not hammered home the point that she's under FBI investigation? I'm not sure many Americans are even aware of this fact? Fox noise knows, the right knows. Between this and the Goldman speeches most likely coming to the light in the General, I do believe, she could very much lose. I'm not so sure any voting manipulation, tabulations could save her if polling going into a GE shows her significantly down or that many Dems aren't voting or choosing "other"... And independents (43% of the country now), chooses not to vote or ends up sliding back down to vote for the Republican.. AND if it is Trump, he may surprise the heck out of the left when he starts grabbing hold of popular progressive ideas. AS in money out of politics (he's not bought and is an issue in ALL of America), and when he adopts the idea of Medicare for All. Many business leaders and multi-national corporations would be just fine with the US govt taking over the health care costs of its employees. Its a huge cost burden, takes up most people's "raise" money every year, and is a private company subsidizing another private company in a completely inefficient model. Trump is a business man. He has supported this idea in the past. And I'm sure he understands that 80% of the country finds medicare a really good thing, and expanding the program to grab young, healthy, working people's into the money pot is "good business". From there, they can still have some sort of 80/ 20 split with insurance companies. Or the health insurance companies switch direction to sell to the public "catestrophic" policies. So, if you become very sick, like accident or cancer, they pay out cost of living help so you can take time off and still pay your mortgage. Or the companies are paid by the govt directly to manage the Medicare for All... I'm sure with a Republican in charge, they would figure out some sort of scam to keep the private insurance companies floating somehow.. Or the CEO/ Boards will figure out some way to grab all that medicare money coming into the govt coffers.

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We should petition Bernie felix_numinous Apr 2016 #1
This is nonsense. Both poll aggregators, 538 and RCP, predicted a 15 point win. pnwmom Apr 2016 #2
They just can't accept it rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #4
Interesting how Sanders won the majority of New York counties despite Clinton victory. Petrushka Apr 2016 #5
It doesn't matter when votes are tallied according to DISTRICTS, not counties. randome Apr 2016 #9
Incorrect: votes are tallied by counties; delegates are allocated according to districts. Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #29
Well, I had the GIST of it right! Okay, thanks for the correction. randome Apr 2016 #39
What? "You should have seen that in this forum already."? Petrushka Apr 2016 #56
Manhattan and the other boroughs have many more voters than all those upstate counties put together. pnwmom Apr 2016 #15
"Manhattan and its boroughs..." Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #41
yeah, yeah, I should have said "the other boroughs." pnwmom Apr 2016 #42
No worries! Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #44
To me, Manhattan always seemed to be at the center of everything, but I'm sure pnwmom Apr 2016 #45
This counties narrative is bunk. Agschmid Apr 2016 #20
Sorry, your polls mean nothing in the face of evidence of voter suppression and widespread incompete reformist2 Apr 2016 #6
"We" who? It should be pretty obvious to Sanders sufrommich Apr 2016 #8
"We reject them." pnwmom Apr 2016 #16
I am absolutely astounded by the incredible arrogance I'm COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #36
Who is we ??? Setsuna1972 Apr 2016 #58
What evidence do you have that Sanders supporters were targeted? Adrahil Apr 2016 #60
Yet in all counties other than in the NYC area beedle Apr 2016 #27
Between the voter purges, changing party affiliation, and the exit polls mismatching the vote totals glowing Apr 2016 #38
Links please. I've never seen any pre-election polls based on NY counties. pnwmom Apr 2016 #40
here you go beedle Apr 2016 #47
Okay, so they made this map. But where is the underlying data that they used pnwmom Apr 2016 #48
Read their FAQ beedle Apr 2016 #57
Wow, thanks, I have been looking for that kind of info dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #70
The most important thing for a Government to do Downwinder Apr 2016 #3
They even admit to widespread incompetence, but still want us to "move on". reformist2 Apr 2016 #7
No, we don't. We expect de Blasio to complete his investigation. randome Apr 2016 #10
But you don't want to do what it takes to let these voters have their voices heard. That would mean reformist2 Apr 2016 #12
Even if every voter who missed out is counted as a Sanders voter, he would still lose. randome Apr 2016 #17
I don't believe Bernie would've won New York without the voter suppression but the race would be Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #25
Notice how the author implies that Sanders blamed Clinton when he did not. randome Apr 2016 #11
The author implied Camp Hillary, not Hillary personally. The elite rarely get their hands dirty. reformist2 Apr 2016 #13
No, look at the headline: "Bernie: Calling the Hillary NY Cheating..." randome Apr 2016 #14
"...the Hillary NY Cheating..." Tarc Apr 2016 #18
Bernie....you lost. Move on JaneyVee Apr 2016 #19
Ridiculous OP title. Agschmid Apr 2016 #21
When you find out that some so-called "cheaters" were Bernie supporters what will you say? Jitter65 Apr 2016 #22
Agree pdsimdars Apr 2016 #23
Bernie has not actually said this. yardwork Apr 2016 #24
Funny that. beedle Apr 2016 #30
The Republican admitted doing it. yardwork Apr 2016 #62
Admitted doing regular 'cleaning' beedle Apr 2016 #63
Paranoia loses its value when it distracts from the real problem. yardwork Apr 2016 #67
Right, Republicans are fixing the results for Hillary? beedle Apr 2016 #69
Welp, here goes Sanders under the bus. We all knew it was coming. Squinch Apr 2016 #26
"Hillary New York cheating" ? I saw no evidence in the OP that points to Hillary. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #28
I like the backward Bernie symbol at the bottom of your post n/t Onlooker Apr 2016 #31
Primary results, according to Bernie supporters... SidDithers Apr 2016 #32
+1. This will be my response to all the whining from this point forward. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #35
Full credit to brookynite, who posted it last night... SidDithers Apr 2016 #37
LOL pnwmom Apr 2016 #43
Speaking of fraud beedle Apr 2016 #49
hahahaha this is perfect obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #55
Opinion Blog Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #33
Speaking of disgraceful, the title of the OP is packed with known lies. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #34
That Republican is implicated in a large real estate payoff dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #71
Stating "Hillary NY Cheating" is pretty disgusting and dishonest in itself. seabeyond Apr 2016 #46
Bernie hasn't challenged the outcome of any other race(*); why start now... brooklynite Apr 2016 #50
Right. It was Clinton, Democrats that called Arizona out and in NY immediately the seabeyond Apr 2016 #51
Gutter OP MadBadger Apr 2016 #52
Why yell at Bernie? He has said he can't do this alone. If you live in an area where there was haikugal Apr 2016 #53
That was also my problem with the OP - eom dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #72
Hillary was the target in Brooklyn not Sanders. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #54
What a Bullshit title rbrnmw Apr 2016 #59
Consider the source. Codeine Apr 2016 #64
bouncing off the walls rbrnmw Apr 2016 #66
Bernie defended the Bush 'win' in Ohio 2004 J_J_ Apr 2016 #61
Link to the story would be nice. B Calm Apr 2016 #65
There is NO reason to believe Bernie was somehow the target of this. Adrahil Apr 2016 #68
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