2016 Postmortem

morningfog

(18,115 posts) Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:15 PM Mar 2016

Why does Hillary do so poorly in the mid-west and west? [View all]

She has lost by some astounding margins. Why can't she connect with Democrats in the middle states?

For that matter, she has lost by some large margins in the northeast too.

I think the open question of the race is whether the Massachusetts results foretell those of the large liberal states.

We know Hillary will take the southern states, Bernie takes the rural Midwest and western states. Bernie will take the northeast states.

What can be determined about the large liberal states from that? Who, and by what margins, will take NY, NY, PA, CA, IL, for example?

And why does Hillary do so poorly in the middle of the country states? Could she even carry Colorado in the general?

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Why does Hillary do so poorly in the mid-west and west? [View all] morningfog Mar 2016 OP

Not following, the only state that voted in the West is Nevada itsrobert Mar 2016 #1

Colorado. morningfog Mar 2016 #4

Oh my gawd, if you include Colorado, you need to include Texas itsrobert Mar 2016 #13

My gawd. Include what you want. She's been stomped on lots of states. WHY? morningfog Mar 2016 #15

What, She won Nevada and Texas, Bernie won Colorado itsrobert Mar 2016 #16

Why does she lose so badly elsewhere? morningfog Mar 2016 #25

It's not. Do better math. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #29

Bernie won the Latino vote by huge margins in Colorado. Your point? pinebox Mar 2016 #98

Small sample size itsrobert Mar 2016 #99

lol uh huh, goalposts moved much? pinebox Mar 2016 #100

The Western United States as defined by the Census Bureau: Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #91

I live in California, thank you. itsrobert Mar 2016 #97

Texas = the south MillennialDem Mar 2016 #96

Texas is Deep Red South, enemy territory (aside from Austin). Will go GOP in GE. leveymg Mar 2016 #106

Texas is NOT the south. wildeyed Mar 2016 #116

Sanders was winning Nevada up until the last week before the caucus Samantha Mar 2016 #86

I don't think she can win a fair election. senz Mar 2016 #120

Neither do I Samantha Mar 2016 #122

All very fair questions. HubertHeaver Mar 2016 #2

NAFTA and the other bull shit free trade agreements.. yourout Mar 2016 #3

That makes sense. Could she carry Midwest swing states we need in GE? morningfog Mar 2016 #6

Maybe but I would not bet on it. yourout Mar 2016 #11

Michigan is still hurting from Nafta, and it wasn't long ago she said that TPP is the goldstandard putitinD Mar 2016 #35

In the West, even the Republican Western states (like Utah), the minority Democrats are Progressive. Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #5

Minority Dem from Utah here Hydra Mar 2016 #19

Doesn't FT. WORTH TX call itself the "gateway to the west?" or "Where the West begins?" MADem Mar 2016 #7

Colorado? morningfog Mar 2016 #10

Weed? MADem Mar 2016 #28

"More research is needed" Aha Mar 2016 #39

She's behind Sanders and ahead of Warren. As I said. MADem Mar 2016 #81

Cannabis reform does not need the SCOTUS, it needs Congress or a strong Executive branch, AG and Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #93

Yes, guns is part of it Rebkeh Mar 2016 #14

But Hillary Gwhittey Mar 2016 #33

Her official policy is "anti-gun," the rest doesn't matter. Minds close tight after that. Nt Rebkeh Mar 2016 #59

The St. Louis arch is the symbolic "gateway to the west" landmark loyalsister Mar 2016 #18

Did you click on the link I provided? Did you read what it said? MADem Mar 2016 #22

Your post said "Gateway to the West" loyalsister Mar 2016 #61

Bernie won Austin, San Marcos, and Bryan/College Station. All college towns. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2016 #69

Unsurprising, really. Hillary won the state. 65-33. MADem Mar 2016 #80

She won my county 80-17. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2016 #83

I don't do yard signs or bumper stickers. MADem Mar 2016 #84

The Western United States as defined by the Census Bureau Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #92

I can't speak to the others but Rebkeh Mar 2016 #8

She does terribly with white voters. reformist2 Mar 2016 #9

It's not racial. She does terribly with Progressive voters. Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #12

^This Hydra Mar 2016 #20

Yep. It is because voters realize she is not a progressive. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #21

Others don't understand what she really stand for Hydra Mar 2016 #23

One of my friends is like that too. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #26

It's the media's fault Hydra Mar 2016 #31

You guys do realize that snarkily repeating the "low information voters meme" is probably the MADem Mar 2016 #32

I didn't tell her she was a low information voter, though undoubtedly she is. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #38

I'm sorry, I can't help it that Team Hill is counting on people not to check her record Hydra Mar 2016 #42

It makes perfect sense, given her record. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #46

Ever stop to think there are people who LIKE her record? MADem Mar 2016 #51

There's something for every one, on each side of the issues. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #55

Yes I assume her supporters LIKE her years of crapping on LGBT rights for Jesus..... Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #94

Ahhh, there it is. A double down! MADem Mar 2016 #48

*Laughs* Hydra Mar 2016 #63

I care why? Gwhittey Mar 2016 #53

This^ Gwhittey Mar 2016 #44

Welcome to the Party :) Hydra Mar 2016 #56

Bernie is the one making promises redstateblues Mar 2016 #30

Bernie is doing something more damaging than that, in a positive way Hydra Mar 2016 #37

You are arguing with a I asuume Gwhittey Mar 2016 #58

No, this is kind of a new thing here Hydra Mar 2016 #70

And Hillary isn't promising anything at all. reformist2 Mar 2016 #88

Guns nt DURHAM D Mar 2016 #17

Do you really think that's it? If so, she'd do poorly in GE. morningfog Mar 2016 #27

Well maybe not. Gwhittey Mar 2016 #62

That's certainly one reason she'll motivate the GOP base like no other. (nm) Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #103

She can't carry squat in the general Lorien Mar 2016 #24

The last Democrat that ran on raising taxes redstateblues Mar 2016 #34

He Hillary has lost by big margins across the county. morningfog Mar 2016 #41

She won more delegates than Bernie today redstateblues Mar 2016 #43

Yet lost by big margins where she lost. You should be asking why. morningfog Mar 2016 #52

I would post Gwhittey Mar 2016 #66

The Midwest got fucked by Bill Clinton that's why...NAFTA decimated my hometown and my homestate. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #36

Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma are the "Plains" states Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #40

Bernie does well where more people have access to internet. OZi Mar 2016 #45

Is this a fucking joke? Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #50

5% "honesty and trustworthy" plus 2% "shares my values" OZi Mar 2016 #57

Then how do you account for the polls in Massachusetts Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #64

New Hampshire: "Honest and Trustworthy" - 34% OZi Mar 2016 #85

This whole thread is a bunch of people desperately and nervously high fiving each other Number23 Mar 2016 #65

Well callling someone ill informed Gwhittey Mar 2016 #68

And Bernie can do no wrong? his campaign cannot possibly be fucked up Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #71

Yeah, I saw your post downthread whining that Clinton is KILLING it with minority voters because Number23 Mar 2016 #72

Number 23, what shall we do? Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #75

Boy, you know what to do... Number23 Mar 2016 #78

I don't think that (false) accusation of racism has much to do with it. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #104

No offense but I've seen enough of your posts on race here to not really have much interest Number23 Mar 2016 #118

Bless their hearts consciouslocs Mar 2016 #87

Everyone has access to the Internet these days. MineralMan Mar 2016 #101

100%? OZi Mar 2016 #119

Sanders does better in rural areas, Hillary does better in urban ones oberliner Mar 2016 #121

We will see how things look after Michigan book_worm Mar 2016 #47

Why can't Hillary win in those states though? morningfog Mar 2016 #54

Hillary is up by 25 points in Michigan Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #67

Polls of the land line type are very inaccurate. Gwhittey Mar 2016 #73

I'm sorry, Hillary is gonna crush Bernie in Michigan Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #76

Yea odd isn't it Gwhittey Mar 2016 #60

She got David Brock who is more slimy that any swiftboater. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #102

Wrong question: why does she do so poorly against the GOP? longship Mar 2016 #49

Bernie polls a little better now creeksneakers2 Mar 2016 #74

We'll see. longship Mar 2016 #79

Sanders does better in states with BainsBane Mar 2016 #77

Great question thereismore Mar 2016 #82

it was wise to ask these questions before Ohio, Michigan and Illinois DrDan Mar 2016 #89

Thank you. morningfog Mar 2016 #95

What are you talking about? She won Nevada and Texas.. DCBob Mar 2016 #90

Look up-thread. To make the OP's theory work, Texas is no longer in the West. wyldwolf Mar 2016 #111

LOL.. DCBob Mar 2016 #112

Bank failures and crooked bankers are the enemy!!! Mopar151 Mar 2016 #105

"Poorly" does not describe her vote-getting ability in any state. n/t Orsino Mar 2016 #107

NH, VT, OK, KS were very poor performances. CO and MN ERE NOT GOOD. morningfog Mar 2016 #108

Neither does "poor." n/t Orsino Mar 2016 #109

I guess you have not looked at the results or just don't understand? morningfog Mar 2016 #110

Still not poor. Orsino Mar 2016 #113

Lol. Whatever dude. morningfog Mar 2016 #115

They have a better education system . . simple as that. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #114

False premise. wildeyed Mar 2016 #117