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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: I don't get this whole PoC discussion... [View all]Zorra
(27,670 posts)113. One primary issue all racial minorities in the US have to deal with every day
is existing and surviving in a long established white supremacist oligarchy, which is institutionalized in the system as well as the general cultural consciousness. How some individuals and general majorities of various minorities approach improving their unique situations may be radically different than others.
Bernie Sanders won Democratic precinct on Meskwaki Reservation
Wednesday, February 3, 2016
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton eked out a narrow win in the caucuses in Iowa on Monday night but Indian voters on one reservation showed a lot more support to rival Bernie Sanders.
According to the results from the Democratic party, the Senator from Vermont won a whopping 83.3 percent of the vote at the Indian Settlement precinct in Tama County. Members of the Meskwaki Tribe caucused at their tribal center and only gave 16.7 percent of their votes to Clinton, a former Secretary of State and a former Senator from New York.
http://www.indianz.com/News/2016/020265.asp
Wednesday, February 3, 2016
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton eked out a narrow win in the caucuses in Iowa on Monday night but Indian voters on one reservation showed a lot more support to rival Bernie Sanders.
According to the results from the Democratic party, the Senator from Vermont won a whopping 83.3 percent of the vote at the Indian Settlement precinct in Tama County. Members of the Meskwaki Tribe caucused at their tribal center and only gave 16.7 percent of their votes to Clinton, a former Secretary of State and a former Senator from New York.
http://www.indianz.com/News/2016/020265.asp
'My friends, I am the son of a Polish immigrant who came to this country speaking no English, and having no money. My father worked everyday of his life, and he never made a whole lot. My Mom and Dad, and brother and I grew up in a small three and a half room, rent controlled apartment in Brooklyn, New York. My Mother, who died at a young age, always dreamed of moving out of that apartment, getting a home of her own, but she never realized that dream.
The truth is that neither one of my parents could ever have dreamed that I would be here tonight standing before you as a candidate for President of the United States.
This is the promise of America, and this is the promise we must keep alive for future generations. What began last week in Iowa, what voters here in New Hampshire confirm tonight, is nothing short of the beginning of a political revolution.
It is a political revolution that will bring tens of millions of our people together. It will bring together working people who have given up on the political process. It will bring together young people who have never participated in the political process. It will bring together blacks, and whites, latinos, Asian-Americans, Native Americans, straight and gay, male and female. People who were born in America, and people who immigrated here.
We will all come together to say loudly, and clearly that the government of our great nation belongs to all of us, not just a few wealthy campaign contributors. That is what this campaign is about, that is what the political revolution is about. So, New Hampshire, thank you again. And, now it's time.
~ From Bernie Sander's victory speech in New Hampshire/
The truth is that neither one of my parents could ever have dreamed that I would be here tonight standing before you as a candidate for President of the United States.
This is the promise of America, and this is the promise we must keep alive for future generations. What began last week in Iowa, what voters here in New Hampshire confirm tonight, is nothing short of the beginning of a political revolution.
It is a political revolution that will bring tens of millions of our people together. It will bring together working people who have given up on the political process. It will bring together young people who have never participated in the political process. It will bring together blacks, and whites, latinos, Asian-Americans, Native Americans, straight and gay, male and female. People who were born in America, and people who immigrated here.
We will all come together to say loudly, and clearly that the government of our great nation belongs to all of us, not just a few wealthy campaign contributors. That is what this campaign is about, that is what the political revolution is about. So, New Hampshire, thank you again. And, now it's time.
~ From Bernie Sander's victory speech in New Hampshire/
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How the hell is that tone deaf? People claiming POC are not interested in fair pay, jobs,
Live and Learn
Feb 2016
#7
To be clear, the argument is that POC don't believe Sanders can deliver those things
Recursion
Feb 2016
#26
But Hillary's not even TRYING to push for "those things". So that's somehow "better"? nt
99th_Monkey
Feb 2016
#33
I haven't heard that argument at all. I have heard people like Hillary and some DUers say that
Live and Learn
Feb 2016
#38
I will agree with the skepticism but it is not that he can't win. It is whether he will actually
Live and Learn
Feb 2016
#52
Don't ssshhh me, Sheshe. I have been to the group many times. In fact, I have been quite
Live and Learn
Feb 2016
#71
Passing a bill alone won't help black people, because of institutionalized racism.
JRLeft
Feb 2016
#35
Are you saying no steps have been made against racism? Of course they have and they start with
Live and Learn
Feb 2016
#42
Historically legislation has generally been the last step, not the first (nt)
Recursion
Feb 2016
#45
That's not actually true. Millennials are just about as racist as their parents.
gollygee
Feb 2016
#87
I agree that justice system reform is a big issue that needs to be addressed and it is one I
Live and Learn
Feb 2016
#77
Funny, the ones I have seen being preachy are mainly white Hillary supporters on DU.
Live and Learn
Feb 2016
#82
No! Bernie Sanders supporters have been disgusting patronizing. Many borderline racists.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#224
I've followed Bernie Sanders' career for many years. I know his platform well. I'm leaning Sanders,
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#236
And yet Hillary surrogate former Philly Mayor Nutter today condemned Sanders for talking about
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2016
#144
A black, Hillary supporting former mayor. And it was just today, while you are saying that's what he
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2016
#156
Exactly, Bernie will build on his legacy. Hillary will let it stagnate and rot away. nt
Live and Learn
Feb 2016
#12
How will Sanders build on it when everything depends on some sort of revolution?
Gothmog
Feb 2016
#191
Revolutions ARE real world solutions. Attempting to negotiate with the right wing is an exercise in
Live and Learn
Feb 2016
#207
That is complete bull. Sanders HAS given Obama credit for the ACA. Wanting to improve upon it
Live and Learn
Feb 2016
#209
When it comes to foreign affairs it's actually Bernie that will protect Obama's legacy.
jillan
Feb 2016
#49
she's just saying that to appeal to POC; the reality is she has worked against his legacy and derail
amborin
Feb 2016
#121
I know a lot of black who are pro Bernie too. Most black are riding with Hillary
JRLeft
Feb 2016
#22
It is partly the electability issue. Like many other democrats, they believe Hillary
tblue37
Feb 2016
#81
So no REAL evidence then.. just some articles you kinda remember reading, but cannot cite.
basselope
Feb 2016
#170
Not insensitive. Racist! Black people are idiots? Way to win over voters.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#227
Soooooo, for the last 7 months PoC on DU have NOT been screaming out loud why Sanders...
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#21
There have been numerous post on the issue in the last half year, you can't throw a rock around here
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#103
So you support her but cannot come up with an answer why people support her?
AgingAmerican
Feb 2016
#104
RobinA, you were asked to state why you are for Clinton, not for your reasons to oppose Bernie.
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2016
#146
I see the same things. Mondale was the last Democrat that ran on raising taxes
redstateblues
Feb 2016
#152
and yet what you 'see' is not really persuasive to me, your fears are not my own and lots of people
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2016
#159
someone just suggested to me I'd like to "bus minorities" to NH because I said 1.5%
bettyellen
Feb 2016
#124
Yep. That's the thing we've all been noticing. They don't give a damn until it's time to worship
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#230
Let's clarify, some of you have screamed why Sanders will not reach PoC
nadinbrzezinski
Feb 2016
#137
Not relevant if all PoC joined in this context what was relevant was that PoC have been speeaking
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#140
That is so dismissive. Maybe you/ we don't understand it but that doesn't mean it's nonsense.
JudyM
Feb 2016
#23
Ahhh, asking insensitive, insulting questions that you don't seem to even know are insulting
brush
Feb 2016
#74
Guess you weren't here for the poster who said that POC who were Clinton supporters . . .
brush
Feb 2016
#138
Actually that Stockhom OP addressed LGBT and African Americans, by name and not modified by
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2016
#155
There was no intent to leave out the LGBT shade, it was for comparison to another odious OP
brush
Feb 2016
#165
It defies *your* reason. Other people may have different risk assessments.
winter is coming
Feb 2016
#57
Many POC who support HRC have been making this exact argument which has fallen on deaf ears.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#228
There are valid reasons why African American and other Democratic voters are not supporting Sanders
Gothmog
Feb 2016
#192
They can say why they hate Bernie Sanders, but not what it is they see in Clinton
AgingAmerican
Feb 2016
#198
No, we didn't know him at first but that didn't take long... he came to talk to us... then it was
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#20
Sanders lost IA PoC by 25% after spending 3 months campaigning there, he might be reaching out
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#19
I respect your opinion and it is a good post but I just haven't seen that.
Live and Learn
Feb 2016
#46
I don't count this site since half the people pretending to be people of color on here are not.
Live and Learn
Feb 2016
#56
That is another huge issue for me. The Prison Industrial Revolution must be stopped
Live and Learn
Feb 2016
#60
The way you fail to listen to the answers being given is a perfect illustration....
Hekate
Feb 2016
#166
An awful it of people are trying to tell you something, but you don't like their answers.
Hekate
Feb 2016
#183
Thank you so much. They will not listen. Only if one worships Sanders. That's it.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#229
Why thank you for the compliment. And thank you for your well-reasoned, brilliant answer. :)
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#232
I think we are already seeing a backlash to that meme from women and people of color. nt
Live and Learn
Feb 2016
#78
How many voters, whether white or AA/POC, currently have well-reasoned and well-informed judgments
Vattel
Feb 2016
#186
I'm leaning towards supporting Sanders (O'Malley supporter originally) but I agree 100%.
PragmaticLiberal
Feb 2016
#114
WOW!!! WOW!!! WOW!!! This should be its own OP. Amazingly genius!!!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#233
It's just inertia, they will come around as Bernie gets the charm offensive going.
Odin2005
Feb 2016
#88
I'm for Bernie but lots of my AA aren't and I don't try to tell them they don't get it or don't
JRug
Feb 2016
#89
Don't you think this post is offensive?!!?!? "THE...don't get it"!!?!? wow... keep it classy right?!
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#110
There are good reasons why Sanders is not appealing to African American and other voters
Gothmog
Feb 2016
#95
This is a HUGE reason, too! Keep posting this passage as much as you can. Bash my president,
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#234
I'm curious as to what her proposals actually are to help PoC. Haven't seen them. nt.
polly7
Feb 2016
#96
She had quite a full life BEFORE she was FLOTUS. She got her law degree. She worked for...
Hekate
Feb 2016
#176
I have been told it is arrogant and condescending of me to even ask this question.
basselope
Feb 2016
#108
Or that the Clintons have had a long term relationship with PoC on a personal level?! Visiting churc
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#109
Apparently Bernie needs to spit on or punch one of his white constituents as a show of solidarity?
JPnoodleman
Feb 2016
#150
lol.... I'm going to go to hell for laughing at this but I can't get the image out of my head
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#153
Why don't POC like Bernie and Bernie supporters? This comment is an example of why. As is the OP.
Squinch
Feb 2016
#167
.... so you won't say what it is? But it exists out there in the ether I guess...
JPnoodleman
Feb 2016
#168
It's been discussed here on DU ad nauseam. I am exhausted by how many times people
Squinch
Feb 2016
#173
Critique of the economy is necessary, but it LEAVES OUT the fact that it is ONLY ONE WAY...
Hekate
Feb 2016
#161