Skepticism, Science & Pseudoscience

jberryhill

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33. But that's one of the properties of miracles

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 09:18 PM

Dec 2011

Miracles have an unexplained ability to transform themselves into mundane things when objectively scrutinized. But they can restore themselves to miraculous things when examined by a believer.

They are like hope amplifiers.

It's like James Randi's well known ability to exert a psi suppression field. He still has not won the $100,000 prize for disproving he has that ability. He did a rigged and uncontrolled demonstration one time, but it was later determined that his test subject wasn't actually psychic.

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Scientists say Turin Shroud is supernatural [View all] canetoad Dec 2011 OP

We should just disregard evidence from carbon dating and other MarkCharles Dec 2011 #1

The date is likely correct jberryhill Dec 2011 #8

repaired by interweaving new fibers from time to time. AlbertCat Dec 2011 #9

What are the oldest fabric samples available? jberryhill Dec 2011 #11

What are the oldest fabric samples available? AlbertCat Dec 2011 #16

I'll have to put that on my list jberryhill Dec 2011 #18

And where has the vanillin loss technique skepticscott Dec 2011 #37

These are the sorts of "scientists" we see posting at EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #2

What do you make of this guy jberryhill Dec 2011 #23

They just proved the existence of time travel! DavidDvorkin Dec 2011 #3

So, because these "scientists" can only copy it using high-intensity ultra violet lasers, mr blur Dec 2011 #4

Glad you properly used quotes around the word scientists there. n/t trotsky Dec 2011 #5

I once heard, the image was probably created with chemicals: a photography of a male model. DetlefK Dec 2011 #6

Only a model with abnormal arms muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #25

I'm going to go with the physical/chemical evidence TZ Dec 2011 #7

these "scientists" are funded by someone much like the "Discovery Institute", AlbertCat Dec 2011 #10

"Of course it's a fake." jberryhill Dec 2011 #12

Well, no-one is claiming that the Mona Lisa, mr blur Dec 2011 #13

There are people who claim the pyramids were built by ancient aliens jberryhill Dec 2011 #14

The accusation is not that the artifact itself is fake, as it obviously exists mr blur Dec 2011 #15

I didn't think we were arguing about anything jberryhill Dec 2011 #19

I suppose next you'll tell me that the Mayan ruins are "fake" because the deities to whom they were AlbertCat Dec 2011 #17

Since we don't know its maker, we don't know the maker's intent jberryhill Dec 2011 #20

Do you think the shroud has supernatural origins? EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #21

No I do not believe it has supernatural origins jberryhill Dec 2011 #22

It's a fraud, or a hoax might have been better wording, uriel1972 Dec 2011 #24

Well, if by "unknown and unexplained" skepticscott Dec 2011 #28

The relic business was highly competitive jberryhill Dec 2011 #29

Well, it is a subject of debate skepticscott Dec 2011 #30

Yep.... jberryhill Dec 2011 #31

Well, that's one tack that's been taken skepticscott Dec 2011 #32

But that's one of the properties of miracles jberryhill Dec 2011 #33

How can you be sure skepticscott Dec 2011 #34

That's a very sneaky question jberryhill Dec 2011 #35

Not sneaky....just revealing of the fact skepticscott Dec 2011 #36

I'm not always entirely serious jberryhill Dec 2011 #38

Uh, a fake burial shroud skepticscott Dec 2011 #27

That is a Laugh-Out-Loud title. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #26

I wonder Alexande1304 Jan 2012 #39

The Shroud is really small potatoes compared to the really amazing relic. The Prepuce of Jesus. dimbear Feb 2012 #40

Dozens of fake relics were created and sold in medieval times. DetlefK Feb 2012 #41

And some of the most avid collectors: the Nazis. Just like in the movie. dimbear Feb 2012 #42

Some people fightforfreedom123 Mar 2012 #43