Skepticism, Science & Pseudoscience

skepticscott

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30. Well, it is a subject of debate

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 08:08 PM

Dec 2011

only in the sense that evolution vs. creationism is. The shroud has red ochre pigment in the image areas and red ochre and vermillion pigments in the blood areas, and nowhere else on the shroud, both in a tempera base. That's abundantly clear from the physical analysis, though there is always a fringe of scientists who are trying to get their 15 minutes of fame by trying to attribute the image to other causes. The image was most likely made by a process called grisaille, which was a well-known technique in the 14th century, used to create very faint, monochrome watercolor images on fabric.

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Scientists say Turin Shroud is supernatural [View all] canetoad Dec 2011 OP

We should just disregard evidence from carbon dating and other MarkCharles Dec 2011 #1

The date is likely correct jberryhill Dec 2011 #8

repaired by interweaving new fibers from time to time. AlbertCat Dec 2011 #9

What are the oldest fabric samples available? jberryhill Dec 2011 #11

What are the oldest fabric samples available? AlbertCat Dec 2011 #16

I'll have to put that on my list jberryhill Dec 2011 #18

And where has the vanillin loss technique skepticscott Dec 2011 #37

These are the sorts of "scientists" we see posting at EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #2

What do you make of this guy jberryhill Dec 2011 #23

They just proved the existence of time travel! DavidDvorkin Dec 2011 #3

So, because these "scientists" can only copy it using high-intensity ultra violet lasers, mr blur Dec 2011 #4

Glad you properly used quotes around the word scientists there. n/t trotsky Dec 2011 #5

I once heard, the image was probably created with chemicals: a photography of a male model. DetlefK Dec 2011 #6

Only a model with abnormal arms muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #25

I'm going to go with the physical/chemical evidence TZ Dec 2011 #7

these "scientists" are funded by someone much like the "Discovery Institute", AlbertCat Dec 2011 #10

"Of course it's a fake." jberryhill Dec 2011 #12

Well, no-one is claiming that the Mona Lisa, mr blur Dec 2011 #13

There are people who claim the pyramids were built by ancient aliens jberryhill Dec 2011 #14

The accusation is not that the artifact itself is fake, as it obviously exists mr blur Dec 2011 #15

I didn't think we were arguing about anything jberryhill Dec 2011 #19

I suppose next you'll tell me that the Mayan ruins are "fake" because the deities to whom they were AlbertCat Dec 2011 #17

Since we don't know its maker, we don't know the maker's intent jberryhill Dec 2011 #20

Do you think the shroud has supernatural origins? EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #21

No I do not believe it has supernatural origins jberryhill Dec 2011 #22

It's a fraud, or a hoax might have been better wording, uriel1972 Dec 2011 #24

Well, if by "unknown and unexplained" skepticscott Dec 2011 #28

The relic business was highly competitive jberryhill Dec 2011 #29

Well, it is a subject of debate skepticscott Dec 2011 #30

Yep.... jberryhill Dec 2011 #31

Well, that's one tack that's been taken skepticscott Dec 2011 #32

But that's one of the properties of miracles jberryhill Dec 2011 #33

How can you be sure skepticscott Dec 2011 #34

That's a very sneaky question jberryhill Dec 2011 #35

Not sneaky....just revealing of the fact skepticscott Dec 2011 #36

I'm not always entirely serious jberryhill Dec 2011 #38

Uh, a fake burial shroud skepticscott Dec 2011 #27

That is a Laugh-Out-Loud title. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #26

I wonder Alexande1304 Jan 2012 #39

The Shroud is really small potatoes compared to the really amazing relic. The Prepuce of Jesus. dimbear Feb 2012 #40

Dozens of fake relics were created and sold in medieval times. DetlefK Feb 2012 #41

And some of the most avid collectors: the Nazis. Just like in the movie. dimbear Feb 2012 #42

Some people fightforfreedom123 Mar 2012 #43