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Boston_Chemist

(256 posts)
48. Pro-Fluoridation crankery is also an issue.
Fri Dec 23, 2011, 02:12 PM
Dec 2011

As I was saying in my previous posts in this theme, there is plenty of science to parse on this topic. This is an interesting theme, and I feel that it should be considered in its totality.

This means:

A. An analysis of policies concerning water fluoridation in other countries.
B. The ethic of fluoridation.
C. The soundness of the science that led to fluoridation in the 1960s.
D. The financial incentives for fluoridation in the USA.

If you look into A, you can find a way to obtain immensely valuable epidemiological data concerning the effectiveness of fluoridation at producing a statistically significant reduction on the incidence of dental caries in the population. I posted, above, a long-ish list of European countries that do not fluoridate (Sweden, France, Germany, Norway, etc.), and which have well established medical institutions that should track this topic. Any real skeptic (starting to think that this excludes you guys) would take it upon him/herself to examine this angle, and arrive at the proper conclusions.

Considering B is the realm of lawyers. I am not an ethicist, but I think that personal choice can be ultimately destructive. For instance, it may be your personal choice to ignore the massive evidence that HIV causes AIDS, but such a stance would have apalling consequences. You might also choose to to avoid vaccinations for your child, but that would cause an increased chance for that child to fall ill with a number of things. Personally, I do not buy the various ethical complaints against Fluoridation, as one could come up with easy counterarguments that illustrate beautifully the need to use medicine as a tool of governance.

I don't think that the human body was as well understood in the 1960s as it is now. And any analysis of the initial decisions for fluoridation ought to be performed in the context that existed when it was made, in the 1960s. Does anyone here really have any insight into this? From my personal experience in this thread, no. All I see here are derisive remarks, and borderline insulting stances. I am truly curious about this aspect of the problem, because it exists in the framework of the Tuskegee syphillis experiments, and other poorly thought out schemes.

Concerning financial incentives for fluoridation. Anyone here would agree that the US government is uniquely beholden to lobbying concerns for anything it does. What industry benefits from the addition of fluoride to the municipal water supplies? An honest understanding of this matter must take this aspect into consideration.

Enough with the name-calling already.

Oh My Lack of God uriel1972 Dec 2011 #1
There are some here on DU! Odin2005 Dec 2011 #2
What is wrong with plain old water? Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #3
So you aren't aware TZ Dec 2011 #4
Yes, I am quite aware of those studies. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #5
Please don't bother to get all the facts about Dental Fluorosis, nor bother to listen to the .. MarkCharles Dec 2011 #6
Information, in brochure format, is a way of spoonfeeding people. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #7
I get it, you don't argue from epidemiological grounds, you argue based upon MarkCharles Dec 2011 #8
Are you really simply cutting and pasting a webpage onto your post? Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #9
epidemic of fluorosis? TZ Dec 2011 #19
Read my previous posts. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #22
I do know a bit about dilutions TZ Dec 2011 #17
I was expecting this sort of fallacy, sooner or later. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #23
Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #10
You don't seem skeptical enough. nt. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #11
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. n/t laconicsax Dec 2011 #12
Government calls for the reduction of fluoride levels by nearly 50% Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #13
Yes, they did. Do you understand their rationale? laconicsax Dec 2011 #14
Oh, I thought it had to do with the toxicity of the ion itself. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #15
Depends on the Mercury. laconicsax Dec 2011 #16
What is it with the english language that makes it so difficult for some to understand it? Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #21
You brought up Mercury. If you don't like the results, you have only yourself to blame. n/t laconicsax Dec 2011 #24
Your posts in these threads have a distinctive lack of content in them. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #25
Ooh! Another term you don't seem to know the meaning of. laconicsax Dec 2011 #26
There goes your bad English comprehension - again. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #27
And how many conferences on water fluoridation are there? laconicsax Dec 2011 #29
23% with Fluorosis? More like nearly 40%. Did you even read the CDC study? Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #30
So why do YOU think you're arguing against the consensus? laconicsax Dec 2011 #31
What is the European consensus on Fluoridation? Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #32
And what makes the US different. laconicsax Dec 2011 #33
I am not here to educate you or entertain your conspiracy theories. n.t. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #34
Then why are you here? laconicsax Dec 2011 #35
You actually appear to be ignoring any and all data. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #36
I see you can't take what you dish out. laconicsax Dec 2011 #37
It's all good, so long as you stop believing this "Fluoridation is Good" nonsense. n.t. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #38
You've yet to show that it IS nonsense. laconicsax Dec 2011 #39
Hmm. HuckleB Dec 2011 #40
Be nice. Our water isn't fluoridated--our PBFs are safe. laconicsax Dec 2011 #42
Yup. HuckleB Dec 2011 #43
You've made some statements in this post. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #51
A chemist not understanding doses? TZ Dec 2011 #18
Fluorine is not the same as Mercury. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #20
A couple of hints for you: Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #28
Pssssssst. HuckleB Dec 2011 #41
You have to love the 2nd comment there! n/t laconicsax Dec 2011 #44
It is a beauty! -eom- HuckleB Dec 2011 #45
Let me repost that foul-mouthed "thing of beauty": Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #46
Wooosh! laconicsax Dec 2011 #47
And, again with your posts that lack any content. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #49
Of course I am. What else would I be doing in a skeptics group? laconicsax Dec 2011 #50
Yes, what are you doing in a skeptics group? Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #52
Pro-Fluoridation crankery is also an issue. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #48
Locking EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #53
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