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Atheists & Agnostics

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FreeState

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Wed Apr 17, 2024, 07:07 PM Apr 2024

A or not A in regards to theism [View all]

I have a couple family members who have recently come out as non-believer. They both tend to tell people they are agnostic. I don't really care about what they label themselves - it is often safer to identify as "agnostic" than atheist.

What I struggle with is when I explain how I use the words with people not grasping my take on them. Maybe I've watched too many debates where they define the terms.

For me all propositions are A or not A. You are either convinced of a proposition or you are not.

So:

Is there a god?

Yes = you are a theist
No = you are an atheist
I don't know = you are an atheist

For me agnostic atheist does not make much sense as gnostic means you have knowledge of a proposition (knowledge being a subset of belief). So an agnostic atheist, while typically indication "soft atheist" (not accepting the claim there is no god) doesn't really make any sense - how could you have knowledge of something you don't believe?

I guess I'm looking for better ways for my lack of belief to be explained to people that don't have the same working knowledge of the terms (like my siblings). I am a soft atheist because I believe the proposition "is there a god" is unfalsifiable in general (yes there are gods I am a hard atheist on, but not all).

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A or not A in regards to theism [View all] FreeState Apr 2024 OP
I reply to those pressuring me "None of the above." GreenWave Apr 2024 #1
See that's where I get stuck FreeState Apr 2024 #4
To wear the term Atheist is a commitment that some folks are afraid to make. Chainfire Apr 2024 #2
I definitely get that FreeState Apr 2024 #5
I absolutely don't believe there is a "god". I don't care if others do or don't believe. erronis Apr 2024 #3
I generally don't care either FreeState Apr 2024 #6
I err on the side of believing there is a god TexasDem69 Apr 2024 #7
Pascal's wager never worked for me FreeState Apr 2024 #9
I tend to look at it the other way. willamette Apr 2024 #12
It's worse than that. Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #14
When I became an atheist at 14 years old, I was very gung-oh about it and considered myselt to be a Militant Atheist. spike jones Apr 2024 #8
I've always been under the impression that... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #10
The agnostic position is that the question Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #15
Yes, that's always been my impression. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #16
Hold my beer, Agnostic Dear_Prudence Apr 2024 #11
Claims about physical reality are not Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #13
You write... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #18
That position describes the basis of philosophical skepticism since descartes. Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #20
Ok, so would that be an "Agnostic Theist"? Think. Again. Apr 2024 #21
Ah I misunderstood your question. Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #22
Ah, so Yes. Thanks! Think. Again. Apr 2024 #23
Agnostic means you dont believe we can know IbogaProject Apr 2024 #17
Yes, and only speaking for myself.... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #19
I don't think you understand the meaning of "agnostic." Martin68 Apr 2024 #24
A or not A in logic are the only options FreeState Apr 2024 #25
Yes. But not all statements are 'logical propositions'. Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #28
well then there's 3 distinct questions... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #30
Whatever. You obviously have a strong opinion on the matter. Martin68 Apr 2024 #34
I am a non practicing Christian because I don't want to be associated with the evangelical type of Christianity kimbutgar Apr 2024 #26
The Christian religion is based on what many people came to believe two thousand years ago. Midnight Writer Apr 2024 #27
My response is simple PJMcK Apr 2024 #29
But the fact that our knowledge IS ever-expanding.... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #32
Exactly so... CCExile Apr 2024 #38
Agnostic Wifes husband Apr 2024 #31
Well said. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #33
i think i am a brownist. raised liberal lutheran. i read about them in a 1871 encyclopedia brittanica. pansypoo53219 Apr 2024 #35
This is really all about interacting with other people and neither... NNadir Apr 2024 #36
My agnosticism was the off ramp to atheism Stuckinthebush Apr 2024 #37
I claim the label 'agnostic atheist' hurl Apr 2024 #39
Your definition of gnostic is a big part of my definition of the terms wysimdnwyg Apr 2024 #40
You are correct Farmer-Rick Apr 2024 #41
You asked the wrong question. AZ8theist Apr 2024 #42
Perfectly reasoned, perfectly said. Red Raider 85 Aug 2024 #45
If you define "God" vaguely enough ... Sean Andalou Aug 2024 #43
It's like a light switch, which is either "on" or "off." There is no inbetween. Red Raider 85 Aug 2024 #44
No, agnostic atheist is the precise term Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #46
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