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In reply to the discussion: My evangelical cousin is at death's door. [View all]TheRickles
(2,402 posts)65. Yes, you're right - that's how science proceeds.
But a lot depends on how these studies are set up. When the prayers read from a prepared script (the Herb Benson/Templeton study), the results aren't as impressive as when they pray from the heart (the Byrd study). Larry Dossey MD has written a couple of good (ie, balanced, and not too technical) books on this topic, where he discusses all these nuances.
One is called "Prayer is Good Medicine": https://www.amazon.com/Prayer-Good-Medicine-Healing-Benefits/dp/0062514245
And a recent interview with him is very interesting. He talks about the science behind distant intentionality and nonlocal mind (which for sure can sound like science fiction!): https://www.knowewell.com/written-content/healing-power-prayer-conversation-larry-dossey
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Thanks! Militant athiests are as arrogant as any Christian nationalist - and I'm not even a big god guy.
johnnyplankton
Jan 2024
#55
Most atheists I have met aren't militant about it and logic is something they respect.
TigressDem
Jan 2024
#81
You did not read my full response to OP - IF the prayer allows a person to let go of stress, it helps.
TigressDem
Jan 2024
#89
"Positive therapeutic benefits of intercessory prayer in a cardiac care unit"
TheRickles
Jan 2024
#51
In these prayer studies, people don't know which group they're in - the prayed-for group, or the control group.
TheRickles
Jan 2024
#68
Witch doctors also got positive results. (in their patients that did not die)
Chainfire
Jan 2024
#79
But why pray to be saved from death when it's supposed to bring eternal glory?
Trueblue Texan
Feb 2024
#95
I've seen it over and over with COVIDiots. If they make it, it was God and the prayers. No thanks to the
brewens
Jan 2024
#77
Me to. After my wife died, I also found solace and compassion in a bereavement group. And yes, being with others...
machoneman
Jan 2024
#50
One thing that sucks about being human is losing loved ones. Hurts no matter what.
TigressDem
Jan 2024
#86
My Talibangelical mother had a grand mal seizure and her doctor told her she couldn't
OMGWTF
Jan 2024
#61
Glad your brother put you mom's & the public's safety ahead of being polite & going along with myths
Attilatheblond
Jan 2024
#64
We're sorry. The number you have dialed was never and is not today, in service.
jaxexpat
Jan 2024
#18
You are not worthy of God's healing mercy. Many others are. (God's will) (Called you home)
keithbvadu2
Jan 2024
#12
And yet during my time of watching not one human tradition or belief system has demonstrated that it can tap into that
HelpImSurrounded
Jan 2024
#53
Which, if I understand the theology correctly, she would have gotten any way.
progressoid
Jan 2024
#28
There will be joy with her soul family. I'm sure her family here will miss her
judesedit
Jan 2024
#73
I am in good, make that excellent, health, and I am not terrified of death.
PoindexterOglethorpe
Jan 2024
#44
You guys know that Martin Luther King Jr. was an American Baptist minister, right?
johnnyplankton
Jan 2024
#54
This is the Atheists and Agnostics forum so yes, we can absolutely disagree with
Croney
Jan 2024
#56