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TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
42. Well, like I said, I grew up post Vatican 2, so some of that passed by me.
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 09:21 PM
Sep 2022

I was also in a progressive church in California.

Some of what these writers have written, Augustine, Aquinas and C. S. Lewis I am somewhat familiar with, but in my church experience (which was liberal AND progressive, not restrictive) we are actually challenged TO THINK about our faith.

Now we aren't necessarily being taught to question our faith to the point of leaving it, because that really wouldn't be a productive use of time for the church. But when we had questions about something, it was ok to ask.

I do remember being in a Bible Study and learning that Paul brought his own filters to his writing. And I was a student of anthropology in high school and college, so I tend to think about how we keep evolving as humans and our understanding is bent around the world we know.

The whole part of the Bible that calls gays an abomination supposedly in the Old Testament written by Leviticus was a man trying to keep his group from joining in a religious sex cult that worshiped idols. Gay sex was the least of the insanity going on at the time. But a small group of people in exile trying to keep their culture and people alive had a certain perspective and it was several thousand years ago. Applying that thinking to live now when countries like China are restricting family size to keep from over population, doesn't make sense. In nature, animals are born with a gay preference when the area is over populated too. It's part of survival mechanisms. So to me, if it happens in nature, it could naturally happen with humans as well.

And when stuff gets conflicting or confusing to me, I go back to "What did Jesus say? What did Jesus do? AND as I believe GOD IS LOVE including discipline and natural consequences I simply do reject anything that tells me to HATE in His name as a human misunderstanding of the message."

My fanatical Christian counterparts like me even less than they do atheists, I guess. But it keeps me clear and focused and able to walk in the world with all kinds of people and enjoy the experience for the most part.

Things that affirm my atheism [View all] EnergizedLib Sep 2022 OP
Whichever Timewas Sep 2022 #1
It serves as a litmus test for voters EnergizedLib Sep 2022 #2
Yeah, well some people can't read those results very well. TigressDem Sep 2022 #21
odd how people pick and choose religion to support their own biases and hatreds nt msongs Sep 2022 #3
Exactly EnergizedLib Sep 2022 #7
Maybe I'm just old and odd.... TigressDem Sep 2022 #8
Who are the ones with the voices? EnergizedLib Sep 2022 #16
I think the responsibility to push back on Fake Christians, is on the other Christians. TigressDem Sep 2022 #19
Agree about at least one thing, religion should not be used by government to control anyone. TigressDem Sep 2022 #4
Well EnergizedLib Sep 2022 #6
Back in the 60's was a thing called Vatican 2 TigressDem Sep 2022 #11
That's some heavy lifting there EnergizedLib Sep 2022 #12
Yeah. Those good times do seem long ago and far away. TigressDem Sep 2022 #17
People coming together EnergizedLib Sep 2022 #18
This isn't in the Bible, but it's a parable of sorts. TigressDem Sep 2022 #23
Gandhi was a smart guy. TigressDem Sep 2022 #13
The mother and father commandment EnergizedLib Sep 2022 #15
I simply said it set some boundaries. An early guideline that helps humans get along. TigressDem Sep 2022 #24
Des Cartes proved with logic that God exists. The church rejected such proof because it negated th keithbvadu2 Sep 2022 #5
I think Descartes was wrong Doc Sportello Sep 2022 #9
In order to prove that God exists, Croney Sep 2022 #10
To me, it doesn't matter. TigressDem Sep 2022 #14
I give equal weight to the Babel fish Warpy Sep 2022 #20
I've heard it said... TigressDem Sep 2022 #22
Not a bad way to look at it Warpy Sep 2022 #25
As long as we accept people as who they are and act from decent morals toward each other, it's good. TigressDem Sep 2022 #28
How many people debate the existence of Zeus? Random Boomer Sep 2022 #26
Some Christians et all DO NOT worry about what you believe or don't. TigressDem Sep 2022 #29
My comments were not directed at your or any Christians Random Boomer Sep 2022 #33
Yeah, that's cool. TigressDem Sep 2022 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Random Boomer Sep 2022 #40
It is my experience that this world behaves as if there is no god Farmer-Rick Sep 2022 #27
That's too bad. TigressDem Sep 2022 #30
Just saying there is no valid evidence for any god Farmer-Rick Sep 2022 #31
You beat me to it. frogmarch Sep 2022 #32
Retraction. TigressDem Sep 2022 #35
Oh and I apologize for nothing. TigressDem Sep 2022 #36
Oh and Religious Apologists aren't really apologizing Farmer-Rick Sep 2022 #39
Well, like I said, I grew up post Vatican 2, so some of that passed by me. TigressDem Sep 2022 #42
My only point was to potentially have an open mind. TigressDem Sep 2022 #34
Geez, I wasn't trying to be insulting, honestly Farmer-Rick Sep 2022 #38
Hmmm, text alone doesn't convey all. If felt like a push away. Thanks for the explanation. TigressDem Sep 2022 #41
Yeah, I wish the world acted as if there was a god Farmer-Rick Sep 2022 #43
Things have gotten really chaotic and it's hard to construct Democracy or moral guidelines even. TigressDem Sep 2022 #44
Oh, ENFJ TigressDem Sep 2022 #45
Sounds like you have a handle on it Farmer-Rick Sep 2022 #46
We can call it a spirited discussion. TigressDem Sep 2022 #47
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